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On ‎3‎/‎28‎/‎2019 at 4:22 PM, martini said:

I'd buy a Mosaic Marsh set of this period in a heartbeat. Ne Plus Ultra is one of my "desert island" discs, and it would be great to hear what else might be out there.

From Jack Goodwin's online discography

69-0914 WARNE MARSH QUARTET. “Ne Plus Ultra”.
‘Herrick Chapel Lounge’, Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA., September 14, 1969.

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Dave Parlato, b; John Tirabasso, d; .

1a You Stepped Out Of A Dream take 1 ?
1b YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM take 2 9:03
2 How About You ?
3a Two Part Invention No 13 (J.S. Bach) take 1 ?
3b Two Part Invention No 13 take 2 ?
3c Two Part Invention No 13 take 3 (inc.) ?
3d Two Part Invention No 13 take 4 ?
4 Featherbed (unsure/maybe mixed up w. Smog Eyes (69-1025/item 3) ?

Note: Entry according to Revelation files; before item –3a a false start was recorded.
Not known which take of “Invention” (0:59) is used on the CD issues.

1a,2,3? Uniss.
1b, R Revelation 12
1b,3? CD Crown BRJ-4111 : hat ART CD-6063 : Hatology CD-603


69-1025 WARNE MARSH QUARTET.
'Herrick Chapel Lounge', Occidental College', Los Angeles, CA., October 25, 1969.

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Dave Parlato, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 7:15
2 LENNIE'S PENNIES edited 4:21
3 SMOG EYES ?
4 TOUCH AND GO 15:22
5 YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM take 3 ?
6 317 EAST 32ND STREET 8:15

1,2,4,6 R Revelation 12
1,2,4,6 CD Crown BRJ-4111 : hat ART CD-6063 : Hatology CD-603
3,5 Revelation unissued

71-0000 WARNE MARSH – CLARE FISCHER – GARY FOSTER.
Los Angeles, early 1971

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Clare Fischer, p; Paul West, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 JUST FRIENDS 13:07
2 I GOT IT BAD AND THAT AIN'T GOOD 7:55
3 FEATHERBED 4:46

all PR unissued Revelation date


71-0111 WARNE MARSH & GARY FOSTER.
'The Ice House', 24 Mentor, Pasadena, CA., January 11, 1971.

Warne Marsh, ts; Gary Foster, as, ss*; Dave Parlato, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 317 EAST 32ND STREET ?
2 TWO NOT ONE 4:48
3 FUZZ BLUES 4:03
4 KARY'S TRANCE 4:36
5 IF YOU COULD SEE ME NOW ?
6 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 3:48
7 BACH 2 PART INVENTION ?
8 FEATHERBED 7:56
9 ALL ABOUT YOU 4:57
10 CONFUSION IN DALLAS * 6:23
11 BACKGROUND MUSIC 2:45

(Most tracks edited for Marsh solos and theme only)

all PR Unissued Revelation recording


71-0123 WARNE MARSH & GARY FOSTER.
'The Ice House', 24 Mentor, Pasadena, CA., January 23, 1971.

Warne Marsh, ts; Gary Foster, as, ss *; Dave Koonse, g; Frank De LaRosa, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 FEATHERBED 9:42
2 IF YOU COULD SEE ME NOW 9:37
3 ROUND MIDNIGHT 6:51
4 FUZZ BLUES * 8:14
5 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 7:58
6 ALL ABOUT YOU 6:24
7 LENNIE'S PENNIES inc. 3:53

all PR Unissued Revelation recording

71-0822+ WARNE MARSH. A Giant Passes.
'The Gilded Cage', Rosemead Boulevard, East Pasadena, CA., August 22 and / or 26, 1971.

Warne Marsh, ts; Ron Hoopes, p ; probably Paul Ruhland, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 LULLABY OF THE LEAVES (a,b) 9:00
2 IT'S YOU OR NO ONE (b) 6:30
3 DAY BY DAY (a,b) 8:40
4 I LOVE YOU (a,b) 7:25
5 SONNYMOON FOR TWO (sign-off) ?

Note: Tunes labelled (a) were intended to be issued after Marsh' death under the title 'A Giant Passes'; labelled (b) under the title 'At The Gilded Cage'. (see also 72-0600)

all Revelation unissued

72-0509 WARNE MARSH - CLARE FISCHER - GARY FOSTER.
'Clare Fischer's Studio', Van Nuys, CA., May 9, 1972.

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Clare Fischer, p, org (11,12); Paul Ruhland, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU 8:26
2 BLUESY ROUGE 10:09
3 IN A MELLOTONE 11:15
4 YESTERDAYS 7:50
5 KARY'S TRANCE 10:00
6 SQUARE THEME Fischer plays polka beat against horns (play "Donna Lee" ) 0:35
7 I GOT IT BAD AND THAT AIN'T GOOD 7:00
8 STELLA BY STARLIGHT 12:00
9 THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER YOU 10:00
10 IN A SENTIMENTAL MOOD 2:38
11 CHEROKEE 10:00
12 YOU'VE CHANGED 10:00
13 WATCH WHAT HAPPENS Marsh out 9:00
14 JUST FRIENDS ?

1-4 R Revelation 17
others unissued; entry according to Revelation files

72-0529 WARNE MARSH - GARY FOSTER.
'The Ice House', 24 Mentor Avenue, Pasadena, CA., May 29, 1972.

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; ; Frank De LaRosa, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 KARY'S TRANCE * ?
2 LENNIE'S PENNIES * ?
3 317 EAST 32ND STREET * ?
4 YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM * ?
5 FEATHERBED * ?
6 BODY AND SOUL * ?
7 TWO NOT ONE ?
8 ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE ?
9 BACH TWO PART INVENTION NO.13 Marsh + Foster only ?
10 TWO NOT ONE ?
11 IF YOU COULD SEE ME NOW Foster out ?
12 CONFUSION IN DALLAS ?
13 I LIKE NEW YORK IN JUNE (or How About You / Chamberlain) ?
14 FUZZ BLUES * ?
15 BACKGROUND MUSIC * ?

Note: titles with * probably duplicates of previous entry.

all Revelation unissued; entry according to William Hardy (Revelation Records)

72-0600 WARNE MARSH – CLARE FISCHER
'Clare Fischer's Studio', Van Nuys, CA. unknown date, June 1972

Warne Marsh, ts; Clare Fischer, p, el. P (7,8); Paul Ruhland, b; John Tirabasso, d

1 THAT OLD FEELING 7:05
2 STRIKE UP THE BAND 8:46
3 INDIAN SUMMER 10:17
4 THE MORE I SEE YOU 3:53
5 ISRAEL 5:55
6 THE BEST THING FOR YOU 8:15
7 AFTER YOU'VE GONE 11:48
8 THIS CAN'T BE LOVE inc. 2:54

all PR unissued Revelation recording.

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1 hour ago, John L said:

From Jack Goodwin's online discography

69-0914 WARNE MARSH QUARTET. “Ne Plus Ultra”.
‘Herrick Chapel Lounge’, Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA., September 14, 1969.

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Dave Parlato, b; John Tirabasso, d; .

1a You Stepped Out Of A Dream take 1 ?
1b YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM take 2 9:03
2 How About You ?
3a Two Part Invention No 13 (J.S. Bach) take 1 ?
3b Two Part Invention No 13 take 2 ?
3c Two Part Invention No 13 take 3 (inc.) ?
3d Two Part Invention No 13 take 4 ?
4 Featherbed (unsure/maybe mixed up w. Smog Eyes (69-1025/item 3) ?

Note: Entry according to Revelation files; before item –3a a false start was recorded.
Not known which take of “Invention” (0:59) is used on the CD issues.

1a,2,3? Uniss.
1b, R Revelation 12
1b,3? CD Crown BRJ-4111 : hat ART CD-6063 : Hatology CD-603


69-1025 WARNE MARSH QUARTET.
'Herrick Chapel Lounge', Occidental College', Los Angeles, CA., October 25, 1969.

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Dave Parlato, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 7:15
2 LENNIE'S PENNIES edited 4:21
3 SMOG EYES ?
4 TOUCH AND GO 15:22
5 YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM take 3 ?
6 317 EAST 32ND STREET 8:15

1,2,4,6 R Revelation 12
1,2,4,6 CD Crown BRJ-4111 : hat ART CD-6063 : Hatology CD-603
3,5 Revelation unissued

71-0000 WARNE MARSH – CLARE FISCHER – GARY FOSTER.
Los Angeles, early 1971

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Clare Fischer, p; Paul West, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 JUST FRIENDS 13:07
2 I GOT IT BAD AND THAT AIN'T GOOD 7:55
3 FEATHERBED 4:46

all PR unissued Revelation date


71-0111 WARNE MARSH & GARY FOSTER.
'The Ice House', 24 Mentor, Pasadena, CA., January 11, 1971.

Warne Marsh, ts; Gary Foster, as, ss*; Dave Parlato, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 317 EAST 32ND STREET ?
2 TWO NOT ONE 4:48
3 FUZZ BLUES 4:03
4 KARY'S TRANCE 4:36
5 IF YOU COULD SEE ME NOW ?
6 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 3:48
7 BACH 2 PART INVENTION ?
8 FEATHERBED 7:56
9 ALL ABOUT YOU 4:57
10 CONFUSION IN DALLAS * 6:23
11 BACKGROUND MUSIC 2:45

(Most tracks edited for Marsh solos and theme only)

all PR Unissued Revelation recording


71-0123 WARNE MARSH & GARY FOSTER.
'The Ice House', 24 Mentor, Pasadena, CA., January 23, 1971.

Warne Marsh, ts; Gary Foster, as, ss *; Dave Koonse, g; Frank De LaRosa, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 FEATHERBED 9:42
2 IF YOU COULD SEE ME NOW 9:37
3 ROUND MIDNIGHT 6:51
4 FUZZ BLUES * 8:14
5 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 7:58
6 ALL ABOUT YOU 6:24
7 LENNIE'S PENNIES inc. 3:53

all PR Unissued Revelation recording

71-0822+ WARNE MARSH. A Giant Passes.
'The Gilded Cage', Rosemead Boulevard, East Pasadena, CA., August 22 and / or 26, 1971.

Warne Marsh, ts; Ron Hoopes, p ; probably Paul Ruhland, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 LULLABY OF THE LEAVES (a,b) 9:00
2 IT'S YOU OR NO ONE (b) 6:30
3 DAY BY DAY (a,b) 8:40
4 I LOVE YOU (a,b) 7:25
5 SONNYMOON FOR TWO (sign-off) ?

Note: Tunes labelled (a) were intended to be issued after Marsh' death under the title 'A Giant Passes'; labelled (b) under the title 'At The Gilded Cage'. (see also 72-0600)

all Revelation unissued

72-0509 WARNE MARSH - CLARE FISCHER - GARY FOSTER.
'Clare Fischer's Studio', Van Nuys, CA., May 9, 1972.

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Clare Fischer, p, org (11,12); Paul Ruhland, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU 8:26
2 BLUESY ROUGE 10:09
3 IN A MELLOTONE 11:15
4 YESTERDAYS 7:50
5 KARY'S TRANCE 10:00
6 SQUARE THEME Fischer plays polka beat against horns (play "Donna Lee" ) 0:35
7 I GOT IT BAD AND THAT AIN'T GOOD 7:00
8 STELLA BY STARLIGHT 12:00
9 THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER YOU 10:00
10 IN A SENTIMENTAL MOOD 2:38
11 CHEROKEE 10:00
12 YOU'VE CHANGED 10:00
13 WATCH WHAT HAPPENS Marsh out 9:00
14 JUST FRIENDS ?

1-4 R Revelation 17
others unissued; entry according to Revelation files

72-0529 WARNE MARSH - GARY FOSTER.
'The Ice House', 24 Mentor Avenue, Pasadena, CA., May 29, 1972.

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; ; Frank De LaRosa, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 KARY'S TRANCE * ?
2 LENNIE'S PENNIES * ?
3 317 EAST 32ND STREET * ?
4 YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM * ?
5 FEATHERBED * ?
6 BODY AND SOUL * ?
7 TWO NOT ONE ?
8 ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE ?
9 BACH TWO PART INVENTION NO.13 Marsh + Foster only ?
10 TWO NOT ONE ?
11 IF YOU COULD SEE ME NOW Foster out ?
12 CONFUSION IN DALLAS ?
13 I LIKE NEW YORK IN JUNE (or How About You / Chamberlain) ?
14 FUZZ BLUES * ?
15 BACKGROUND MUSIC * ?

Note: titles with * probably duplicates of previous entry.

all Revelation unissued; entry according to William Hardy (Revelation Records)

72-0600 WARNE MARSH – CLARE FISCHER
'Clare Fischer's Studio', Van Nuys, CA. unknown date, June 1972

Warne Marsh, ts; Clare Fischer, p, el. P (7,8); Paul Ruhland, b; John Tirabasso, d

1 THAT OLD FEELING 7:05
2 STRIKE UP THE BAND 8:46
3 INDIAN SUMMER 10:17
4 THE MORE I SEE YOU 3:53
5 ISRAEL 5:55
6 THE BEST THING FOR YOU 8:15
7 AFTER YOU'VE GONE 11:48
8 THIS CAN'T BE LOVE inc. 2:54

all PR unissued Revelation recording.

Quite a treasure trove ....

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2 hours ago, John L said:

From Jack Goodwin's online discography

69-0914 WARNE MARSH QUARTET. “Ne Plus Ultra”.
‘Herrick Chapel Lounge’, Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA., September 14, 1969.

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Dave Parlato, b; John Tirabasso, d; .

1a You Stepped Out Of A Dream take 1 ?
1b YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM take 2 9:03
2 How About You ?
3a Two Part Invention No 13 (J.S. Bach) take 1 ?
3b Two Part Invention No 13 take 2 ?
3c Two Part Invention No 13 take 3 (inc.) ?
3d Two Part Invention No 13 take 4 ?
4 Featherbed (unsure/maybe mixed up w. Smog Eyes (69-1025/item 3) ?

Note: Entry according to Revelation files; before item –3a a false start was recorded.
Not known which take of “Invention” (0:59) is used on the CD issues.

1a,2,3? Uniss.
1b, R Revelation 12
1b,3? CD Crown BRJ-4111 : hat ART CD-6063 : Hatology CD-603


69-1025 WARNE MARSH QUARTET.
'Herrick Chapel Lounge', Occidental College', Los Angeles, CA., October 25, 1969.

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Dave Parlato, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 7:15
2 LENNIE'S PENNIES edited 4:21
3 SMOG EYES ?
4 TOUCH AND GO 15:22
5 YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM take 3 ?
6 317 EAST 32ND STREET 8:15

1,2,4,6 R Revelation 12
1,2,4,6 CD Crown BRJ-4111 : hat ART CD-6063 : Hatology CD-603
3,5 Revelation unissued

71-0000 WARNE MARSH – CLARE FISCHER – GARY FOSTER.
Los Angeles, early 1971

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Clare Fischer, p; Paul West, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 JUST FRIENDS 13:07
2 I GOT IT BAD AND THAT AIN'T GOOD 7:55
3 FEATHERBED 4:46

all PR unissued Revelation date


71-0111 WARNE MARSH & GARY FOSTER.
'The Ice House', 24 Mentor, Pasadena, CA., January 11, 1971.

Warne Marsh, ts; Gary Foster, as, ss*; Dave Parlato, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 317 EAST 32ND STREET ?
2 TWO NOT ONE 4:48
3 FUZZ BLUES 4:03
4 KARY'S TRANCE 4:36
5 IF YOU COULD SEE ME NOW ?
6 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 3:48
7 BACH 2 PART INVENTION ?
8 FEATHERBED 7:56
9 ALL ABOUT YOU 4:57
10 CONFUSION IN DALLAS * 6:23
11 BACKGROUND MUSIC 2:45

(Most tracks edited for Marsh solos and theme only)

all PR Unissued Revelation recording


71-0123 WARNE MARSH & GARY FOSTER.
'The Ice House', 24 Mentor, Pasadena, CA., January 23, 1971.

Warne Marsh, ts; Gary Foster, as, ss *; Dave Koonse, g; Frank De LaRosa, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 FEATHERBED 9:42
2 IF YOU COULD SEE ME NOW 9:37
3 ROUND MIDNIGHT 6:51
4 FUZZ BLUES * 8:14
5 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 7:58
6 ALL ABOUT YOU 6:24
7 LENNIE'S PENNIES inc. 3:53

all PR Unissued Revelation recording

71-0822+ WARNE MARSH. A Giant Passes.
'The Gilded Cage', Rosemead Boulevard, East Pasadena, CA., August 22 and / or 26, 1971.

Warne Marsh, ts; Ron Hoopes, p ; probably Paul Ruhland, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 LULLABY OF THE LEAVES (a,b) 9:00
2 IT'S YOU OR NO ONE (b) 6:30
3 DAY BY DAY (a,b) 8:40
4 I LOVE YOU (a,b) 7:25
5 SONNYMOON FOR TWO (sign-off) ?

Note: Tunes labelled (a) were intended to be issued after Marsh' death under the title 'A Giant Passes'; labelled (b) under the title 'At The Gilded Cage'. (see also 72-0600)

all Revelation unissued

72-0509 WARNE MARSH - CLARE FISCHER - GARY FOSTER.
'Clare Fischer's Studio', Van Nuys, CA., May 9, 1972.

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Clare Fischer, p, org (11,12); Paul Ruhland, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU 8:26
2 BLUESY ROUGE 10:09
3 IN A MELLOTONE 11:15
4 YESTERDAYS 7:50
5 KARY'S TRANCE 10:00
6 SQUARE THEME Fischer plays polka beat against horns (play "Donna Lee" ) 0:35
7 I GOT IT BAD AND THAT AIN'T GOOD 7:00
8 STELLA BY STARLIGHT 12:00
9 THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER YOU 10:00
10 IN A SENTIMENTAL MOOD 2:38
11 CHEROKEE 10:00
12 YOU'VE CHANGED 10:00
13 WATCH WHAT HAPPENS Marsh out 9:00
14 JUST FRIENDS ?

1-4 R Revelation 17
others unissued; entry according to Revelation files

72-0529 WARNE MARSH - GARY FOSTER.
'The Ice House', 24 Mentor Avenue, Pasadena, CA., May 29, 1972.

Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; ; Frank De LaRosa, b; John Tirabasso, d.

1 KARY'S TRANCE * ?
2 LENNIE'S PENNIES * ?
3 317 EAST 32ND STREET * ?
4 YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM * ?
5 FEATHERBED * ?
6 BODY AND SOUL * ?
7 TWO NOT ONE ?
8 ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE ?
9 BACH TWO PART INVENTION NO.13 Marsh + Foster only ?
10 TWO NOT ONE ?
11 IF YOU COULD SEE ME NOW Foster out ?
12 CONFUSION IN DALLAS ?
13 I LIKE NEW YORK IN JUNE (or How About You / Chamberlain) ?
14 FUZZ BLUES * ?
15 BACKGROUND MUSIC * ?

Note: titles with * probably duplicates of previous entry.

all Revelation unissued; entry according to William Hardy (Revelation Records)

72-0600 WARNE MARSH – CLARE FISCHER
'Clare Fischer's Studio', Van Nuys, CA. unknown date, June 1972

Warne Marsh, ts; Clare Fischer, p, el. P (7,8); Paul Ruhland, b; John Tirabasso, d

1 THAT OLD FEELING 7:05
2 STRIKE UP THE BAND 8:46
3 INDIAN SUMMER 10:17
4 THE MORE I SEE YOU 3:53
5 ISRAEL 5:55
6 THE BEST THING FOR YOU 8:15
7 AFTER YOU'VE GONE 11:48
8 THIS CAN'T BE LOVE inc. 2:54

all PR unissued Revelation recording.

If the tapes still exist, economic details could be worked out, and Mosaic issued it, I'd be in.

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Hell yeah.

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This thread hasn’t got one workable idea! Mosaic fell apart several years ago when it stopped mailing catalogs, purged the customer email base, and (weirdly) started spamming people who signed up for email with YouTube links to material that had nothing to do with them. I’m with Jim that it’s long past the point of ‘helping’ them lumber on. I never really figured out how it was they lost track of customers and maybe that was just part of the general malaise - but other companies continue to reach customers so it can’t be impossible. I think they lost the will a while back. 

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While it hasn't been mentioned in this thread, it has been elsewhere: a Cal Tjader Verve set seems like a good idea (not sure why Universal is against it). As does a Yusef Lateef Verve / Impulse set.  

I think it's probably time they do their projects on a money down basis.  Hiphop has been operating on this model now for a while: take my money today, send me my product whenever you get around to it.  If it's for the purpose of sending me a Bill Barron box in 6 months, Mosaic can have my money right now.  And if the project is only 5CDs and that's not profitable, charge the same price as 7CDs.  I personally don't do a per CD cost evaluation.  I either want the release or I don't.  Anthony Braxton could've been $10 and I still would have passed.  

At the very least Mosaic should ask their customer base if they're willing to pay X to have a particular project and if so, can you pay it now?  There is a rigidity to their approach that goes against the spirit of jazz.  

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They also probably just need some new blood.  Not sure if Cuscuna would allow that; maybe he just wants a diminished Mosaic until its natural end.

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13 hours ago, David Ayers said:

This thread hasn’t got one workable idea! Mosaic fell apart several years ago when it stopped mailing catalogs, purged the customer email base, and (weirdly) started spamming people who signed up for email with YouTube links to material that had nothing to do with them. I’m with Jim that it’s long past the point of ‘helping’ them lumber on. I never really figured out how it was they lost track of customers and maybe that was just part of the general malaise - but other companies continue to reach customers so it can’t be impossible. I think they lost the will a while back. 

A company which lost track of their customers - and wants to stay in business - should be even more interested in their former client's wishes/needs (viable or not) .... all they have to do is reading threads like this one - no expensive external advisers required too 😎 .... btw to me this read is a valuable source to re-evaluate my collection ( or holes therein) ....

Edited by soulpope

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I have a very useful and practical suggestion (and Michael Cuscuna said that he "couldn't agree more"): A set of 1950s Savoy.

There is too much material to put into one box, and I'm not sure what the selection criteria would be, but there are great riches there.

Most of you know the catalog, at least to some extent. You get Rudy for most of it. Kenny Clarke was their house drummer until he left for Paris, France in late 1956. There is a lot of Yusef, with Curtis Fuller or Wilbur Harden. Curtis's Savoy albums are great. Then, of course, there are the 1958 sessions with Harden and Trane.

Alternate takes exist. I have one by Pepper Adams and a whole LP of Curtis Fuller's "Blues-Ette" session consisting entirely of alternate takes. None of those has ever appeared on a CD.

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8 minutes ago, Shrdlu said:

I have a very useful and practical suggestion (and Michael Cuscuna said that he "couldn't agree more"): A set of 1950s Savoy.

There is too much material to put into one box, and I'm not sure what the selection criteria would be, but there are great riches there.

Most of you know the catalog, at least to some extent. You get Rudy for most of it. Kenny Clarke was their house drummer until he left for Paris, France in late 1956. There is a lot of Yusef, with Curtis Fuller or Wilbur Harden. Curtis's Savoy albums are great. Then, of course, there are the 1958 sessions with Harden and Trane.

Alternate takes exist. I have one by Pepper Adams and a whole LP of Curtis Fuller's "Blues-Ette" session consisting entirely of alternate takes. None of those has ever appeared on a CD.

Definitely yes!

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Chico Hamilton on Impulse

Complete 60's Savoy Jazz sessions.

 

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Er, Savoy pretty much stopped recording jazz after 1960, apart from some far-out stuff. The meat is from 1950 through 1960,

I have all of the Chico on Impulse vinyl. There is some tasty stuff there. The best, for me, is the session with Richard Davis and a very good alto saxophone player called Arnie Lawrence. The album is called "The Dealer". There won't be any new tracks, of course, because, as you probably know, some nitwit threw out all the Impulse session reels (with a few exceptions) in the early 70s.

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On 3/14/2019 at 2:47 PM, Dmitry said:

Clare Fischer dammit! I've asked before already..

Yup. I'd be all over that too.

How about a set that compiles BOTH the Clare Fischer and Warne Marsh stuff on Revelation Records?  (I suppose you might want to include Gary Foster's recordings in there too.)  I guess that would be a fairly big box -- but it would include some damn fine music.

 

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39 minutes ago, HutchFan said:

Yup. I'd be all over that too.

How about a set that compiles BOTH the Clare Fischer and Warne Marsh stuff on Revelation Records?  (I suppose you might want to include Gary Foster's recordings in there too.)  I guess that would be a fairly big box -- but it would include some damn fine music.

 

+ Dennis Budimir.

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You could do a Chico set that picked up where the first Mosaic left off and get a lot of good records on PJ, WB, Columbia (OOPS!!!!!) and impulse!, straight through to The Dealer. impulse! alone is not enough material for Mosaic's current paradigm, but all of that would be. Plus, Eric Dolphy & Charles Lloyd in early flowers (forest and otherwise), as well as possibly the best Gabor Szabo on record.

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1 hour ago, JSngry said:

You could do a Chico set that picked up where the first Mosaic left off and get a lot of good records on PJ, WB, Columbia (OOPS!!!!!) and impulse!, straight through to The Dealer. impulse! alone is not enough material for Mosaic's current paradigm, but all of that would be. Plus, Eric Dolphy & Charles Lloyd in early flowers (forest and otherwise), as well as possibly the best Gabor Szabo on record.

I suggested a Chico Hamilton follow-up set more or less like that years ago and they told me they had been looking into it but it turned out the licensing issues were way too problematic.

I understand licensing for sets with stuff that is owned by more than one rights holder is even more difficult and costly these days.

2 hours ago, HutchFan said:

Yup. I'd be all over that too.

How about a set that compiles BOTH the Clare Fischer and Warne Marsh stuff on Revelation Records?  (I suppose you might want to include Gary Foster's recordings in there too.)  I guess that would be a fairly big box -- but it would include some damn fine music.

 

A Revelation Records (not to be confused with the punk label, of course ;)) set would be very nice indeed, but there might be some licensing issues - I have no idea who owns the material these days or if there's more than one owner.

Edited by J.A.W.

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The Complete Allen Lowe-Produced Percy France Sessions.

People know of I Should Care but there's a second session Allen issued on his last big box set plus others in the can, I am told. Both Allen and Joel Fass - if he can be found - can offer many remembrances of Percy's last years, Allen once mentioned that he has an untranscribed interview on cassette would also help out on the Mosaic essay, and Mosaic might have session photos from the two BN dates.  And I think the number of discs could fit right into the sweet spot for Mosaic sets. 

This could do for Percy what Mosaic did for Tina Brooks.  C'mon people this is a great idea let Michael and Scott know ...

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On 1.4.2019 at 0:28 AM, dougcrates said:

While it hasn't been mentioned in this thread, it has been elsewhere: a Cal Tjader Verve set seems like a good idea (not sure why Universal is against it). 

Tjader's daughter has asked Verve about this, but IIRC they replied they weren't interested.

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On 3/14/2019 at 11:47 PM, miles65 said:

I hope for the fans that all these sets mentioned in earlier in this tread come to be some day. But as a vintage man I have other wishes. My 2 cents worth. These I one time or another suggested to Mosaic

  1. Victor and Columbia 1897-1917(?) Ragtime recordings. This would save a whole genre of music.

  2. Paul Whiteman Victor and Columbia Jazz(orientated) recordings 1920-1937. He was not the King of Jazz but had Bix, Tram and later Jack Teagarden (and many more) in his ranks.

  3. Duke Ellington 1924-1930 Sony owned recordings. Years ago I posted about this. This would amount to 4 CD’s. If Steven Laster would do this set he will have done most of Duke’s recordings 1924-1946. And if Universal would cooperate and add the two later found takes to the existing 3 Cd Brunswick/Vocalion set it would truly be wonderful.

  4. Duke Ellington Columbia 1947-1952. There is still a lot of unissued material from this period.

  5. Duke Ellington Columbia 1956-1962. Here also there is still a lot unissued material and tracks that are only available on vinyl. This would have to be spread on several boxes.

  6. Fletcher Henderson. A set on this important big band pioneer is long overdue.

  7. Henry “Red” Allen/J.C. Higginbotham 1929-1946 Sony sessions. They played together a lot but there are a few sessions worth of inclusion where only one of them played. Apart from leader sessions there would also be tracks from Fletcher Henderson, Mills Blue Rhythm Band and Luis Russell.

  8. A combined set with Jimmie Lunceford and Chick Webb Victor and Columbia sessions. If there is space left maybe Charlie Johnson too.

  9. Clarence Williams/ Eva Taylor 1921-1942 Okeh/Columbia/Vocalion recordings. This would have to be a split in at least two sets.

  10. Last but not least Louis Armstrong Okeh, Columbia and Victor 1925-1933 sessions. Off course this material is not difficult to obtain. Most of it anyway. But at the moment these recordings are not available in away that is legal everywhere. Including only the leader sessions it would amount  to 8 CD’s. But in this period Armstrong was also a side man in 9 vocalist sessions (21 tracks). This would mean an extra CD. But on the one hand I would not like the vocalist sessions intertwined with the leader sessions but on the other hand I would not like to miss Hociel Thomas’ ‘Sunshine Baby’ Just listen to Armstrong and Dodds play as if their lives depend on in. If Universal would cooperate and allow a CD with the Erskine Tate, Lil Armstrong, Johnny Dodds, Jimmy Bertrant and the Louis Armstrong 1934 Paris sessions to be included than together with the 1935-1946 Decca set we would have 21 consecutive years of Armstrong studio recordings complete.

This list really appeals to my tastes. Probably a fantasy at this point, but for what it's worth, I'd especially like:

  1. Complete Fletcher Henderson
  2. Duke Ellington 1924-1930 Sony
  3. Henry “Red” Allen/J.C. Higginbotham 1929-1946 Sony sessions (great concept!)
  4. Charlie Barnet 30s/40s Sony (Bluebird etc)

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Yes that's a terrific list and I'd add to it the complete Fats Waller, but for the time being it's probably a dream.

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2 hours ago, crisp said:

Yes that's a terrific list and I'd add to it the complete Fats Waller, but for the time being it's probably a dream.

JSP did a complete Fats Waller in  5 boxes a total of 21 CD’s

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53 minutes ago, miles65 said:

JSP did a complete Fats Waller in  5 boxes a total of 21 CD’s

Minor correction: JSP's magnificent project was 6 boxes, 26 CDs total.

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On 13-3-2019 at 1:47 PM, miles65 said:

I hope for the fans that all these sets mentioned in earlier in this tread come to be some day. But as a vintage man I have other wishes. My 2 cents worth. These I one time or another suggested to Mosaic

  1. Victor and Columbia 1897-1917(?) Ragtime recordings. This would save a whole genre of music.

  2. Paul Whiteman Victor and Columbia Jazz(orientated) recordings 1920-1937. He was not the King of Jazz but had Bix, Tram and later Jack Teagarden (and many more) in his ranks.

  3. Duke Ellington 1924-1930 Sony owned recordings. Years ago I posted about this. This would amount to 4 CD’s. If Steven Laster would do this set he will have done most of Duke’s recordings 1924-1946. And if Universal would cooperate and add the two later found takes to the existing 3 Cd Brunswick/Vocalion set it would truly be wonderful.

  4. Duke Ellington Columbia 1947-1952. There is still a lot of unissued material from this period.

  5. Duke Ellington Columbia 1956-1962. Here also there is still a lot unissued material and tracks that are only available on vinyl. This would have to be spread on several boxes.

  6. Fletcher Henderson. A set on this important big band pioneer is long overdue.

  7. Henry “Red” Allen/J.C. Higginbotham 1929-1946 Sony sessions. They played together a lot but there are a few sessions worth of inclusion where only one of them played. Apart from leader sessions there would also be tracks from Fletcher Henderson, Mills Blue Rhythm Band and Luis Russell.

  8. A combined set with Jimmie Lunceford and Chick Webb Victor and Columbia sessions. If there is space left maybe Charlie Johnson too.

  9. Clarence Williams/ Eva Taylor 1921-1942 Okeh/Columbia/Vocalion recordings. This would have to be a split in at least two sets.

  10. Last but not least Louis Armstrong Okeh, Columbia and Victor 1925-1933 sessions. Off course this material is not difficult to obtain. Most of it anyway. But at the moment these recordings are not available in away that is legal everywhere. Including only the leader sessions it would amount  to 8 CD’s. But in this period Armstrong was also a side man in 9 vocalist sessions (21 tracks). This would mean an extra CD. But on the one hand I would not like the vocalist sessions intertwined with the leader sessions but on the other hand I would not like to miss Hociel Thomas’ ‘Sunshine Baby’ Just listen to Armstrong and Dodds play as if their lives depend on in. If Universal would cooperate and allow a CD with the Erskine Tate, Lil Armstrong, Johnny Dodds, Jimmy Bertrant and the Louis Armstrong 1934 Paris sessions to be included than together with the 1935-1946 Decca set we would have 21 consecutive years of Armstrong studio recordings complete.

When there were still selects I suggested a set with Victor sessions that were not included in the Bix and Lang/Venuti sets.

Wish that came true: Teddy Wilson’s Sony recordings without Billie.

And an Armstrong set with the 50’s Columbia recordings is in the make

New wishes are:

The Gerry Mulligan Sextet LP set on CD;

Benny Goodman Orchestra on Victor 1935-1939;

Benny Goodman Victor and Columbia small group sessions 1935-1946;

More (Ellington and Goodman) from the Savory collection;

Savoy and Commodore swing combo’s.

 

 

On 9-4-2019 at 7:02 AM, SwingItTrev said:

This list really appeals to my tastes. Probably a fantasy at this point, but for what it's worth, I'd especially like:

  1. Complete Fletcher Henderson
  2. Duke Ellington 1924-1930 Sony
  3. Henry “Red” Allen/J.C. Higginbotham 1929-1946 Sony sessions (great concept!)
  4. Charlie Barnet 30s/40s Sony (Bluebird etc)

They were thinking about a complete Fletcher Henderson set a few years ago, but decided to make it a Coleman Hawkins set instead, which, of course, has quite a bit of Henderson.

 

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I think those Duke Ellington sets might sell (I'd be in for them, that's for sure, I've wished for them for many years) ... but maybe Sony is unwilling to license?

Was hoping for that Fletcher Henderson set as well, but eventually I was able to pick up most of the Chrono Classics at an ok-ish price ... still have a few gaps, but lately I've started buying more and more used discs via discogs and there are sane prices there for a lot of these type of releases.

And I'm afraid there may be a point about MC being unwilling to let Mosaic run beyond him -- seems to be a rather popular problem with many patrons, and I can understand quite well on a personal basis, though as a customer/fan it's an extremely frustrating thing to witness (see what's happening with Hat -- I heard Uehlinger is about to start a new label now, after they took -- well, they seemed to have payed quite a bit, too -- his catalogue, they being the French Outhere group, mostly active in classical and actually doing very well in these drab times, it seems, the label conglomerate includes alpha, Ricercar, Arcana, aeon and several others, they have released a few jazz albums as well by now)

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Sony is a dog in the manger. Reluctant to issue CDs. When Mosaic put together the second Basie-Young set, they couldn't issue the sessions in chronological order because Sony would not let its material appear on the same CD(s) as that owned by the Universal Empire. So, CD1 has the Sony stuff and the others the Universal pieces. Took me days to unscramble the ball of wool onto custom CDrs - I never play the CDs as sold. The music, of course, is highly recommended. Unlike the note-writer, I am very fond of Slam Stewart's sound; Slam was one of the great bass players.

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