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Charles Tolliver All-Stars vinyl and CD reissue

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https://www.audaud.com/charles-tolliver-charles-tolliver-all-stars-pure-pleasure-records/

Just saw this in the jazzmessengers new release email.  Still looking for a CD of it...

Also, Clifford Jordan's masterpiece, Glass Bead Games, in the same vinyl series.

https://www.jazzmessengers.com/en/79969/clifford-jordan/glass-bead-games?mc_cid=2fecb9c998&mc_eid=d43870520b

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Would love it on CD. There's one alternate take of a track, iirc. I think the whole session was (is?) available as mp3's off Amazon or something, iirc.

But it's just about the last Toliver session I don't have on CD, if I'm remembering right.

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10 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said:

But it's just about the last Toliver session I don't have on CD, if I'm remembering right.

That's also my understanding.  I believe I have everything else he did as a leader on CD.

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43 minutes ago, felser said:

That's also my understanding.  I believe I have everything else he did as a leader on CD.

Me too.  Toughest one to track down (at the time about 15 years ago), was this 1977 album: Compassion (Strata-East) aka New Tolliver (Baystate).  I have the 1991 German 'Bellaphon' CD issue as Compassion.  But it came out in Japan again in 2009 (as New Tolliver).

I've also had about 80% of all his sideman appearances on CD too at one time or another, but traded a handful of them off because of space issues with my collection.

Easily on my top-10 list of my personal list of favorite trumpeters, somewhere down around #5 or #6 probably.

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3 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:

Me too.  Toughest one to track down (at the time about 15 years ago), was this 1977 album: Compassion (Strata-East) aka New Tolliver (Baystate).  I have the 1991 German 'Bellaphon' CD issue as Compassion.  But it came out in Japan again in 2009 (as New Tolliver).

I've also had about 80% of all his sideman appearances on CD too at one time or another, but traded a handful of them off because of space issues with my collection.

Easily on my top-10 list of my personal list of favorite trumpeters, somewhere down around #5 or #6 probably.

I think I like his playing a lot and love his writing, and am not sure how to separate them sometimes.  I'm sure Freddie Hubbard has to rate #1 for me in pure playing (favorite, I am not qualified to select "best").  And I really like Hannibal Peterson.  Hannibal and Tolliver play more like Coltrane than like the usual trumpet players to me.   I also really liked the VERY early Wynton Marsalis playing with Blakey.  Hope that last sentence doesn't get me shamed off the website :unsure:.

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Y'all need to check out Barbara Donald then.

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2 hours ago, JSngry said:

Y'all need to check out Barbara Donald then.

Familiar with her work done with ex-husband Sonny Simmons.  What else by her?  I know she led a couple of dates with Carter Jefferson, et al, but I have never heard them.

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Ordered this one immediately at our local record store. ‘Pure Pleasure Records’ is exactly that what their name states: a pure pleasure. Using the original master tapes for remastering, these sound absolutely stunning. As a matter of fact: I am replacing some of my German Bellaphon cd’s with these vinyl reissues as I really don’t like the sound of them ( Harpers Capra Black sounds dreadful). This label is making some rare Strata East records available again including their original artwork (front and back). A big plus for me is that they pay dues to the original owners of the material. 

Only thing that is wondering me is why they reissue this Tolliver session under Strata East. The original was issued on Polydor or Black Lion wasn’t it? 

I am still hoping that after Strata East, they are going to start with the India Navigition catalogue. 

Oh and Barbara Donald 👍 she caught my attention from the very first note on Simmons’s ESP stuff. A very good trumpeter with a great sense of timing, space and melody. A miracle she is so obscure.

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9 hours ago, felser said:

Familiar with her work done with ex-husband Sonny Simmons.  What else by her?  I know she led a couple of dates with Carter Jefferson, et al, but I have never heard them.

The two Cadence Jazz LPs are outstanding, not to be missed.

http://www.sonnysimmons.org/donald.htm

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13 hours ago, felser said:

Familiar with her work done with ex-husband Sonny Simmons.  What else by her?  I know she led a couple of dates with Carter Jefferson, et al, but I have never heard them.

grab 'em.

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1 hour ago, clifford_thornton said:

grab 'em.

Wish it were that easy.  I'm not really set up for vinyl at this point, and they don't seem to be available on CD or digital.

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Posted (edited)

Just noticing that the listing on The Bastards site says that this new LP issue also has a bonus track: "Repetition (take 2)", by Neal Hefti.

I though(?) there was a previous digital-only (mp3) release of this album that had some other alternate take of one of the tracks (I don't remember any bonus material being something other than an 'alternate' - but it's been eons since I've read about/considered that digital release, which I never bought).

BTW, the back-sleeve liners on this new LP issue are by Michael Cuscuna, and you can zoom this image up and clearly read the whole text quite easily (at least I was able to).  You might need to cut-n-paste this URL into a separate browser page to get it to appear big enough (and maybe zoom in more, on top of that).

https://www.deejay.de/images/xl/4/9/349649b.jpg

More info about the release here too:

https://www.deejay.de/Charles_Tolliver_All_Stars_SES-19681_Vinyl__349649

And here the dusty prose about it...

https://www.dustygroove.com/item/909779

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Edited by Rooster_Ties

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Mosaic e-mail today says they have Tolliver All Stars on CD. Before I order, is this for real???

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Just now, jlhoots said:

Mosaic e-mail today says they have Tolliver All Stars on CD. Before I order, is this for real???

Yes, apparently!  I just called and ordered one from Scott, who confirmed with Michael that Mosaic's selling it on CD.  Huzzah!

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Posted (edited)

Goody!!

Ordered online. Fingers crossed.

Edited by jlhoots

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Ordered that puppy online as fast as I could type!

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I was trying to figure out if this is a Mosaic/Strata East release, or just that Mosaic is selling it.

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Posted (edited)

48 minutes ago, BFrank said:

I was trying to figure out if this is a Mosaic/Strata East release, or just that Mosaic is selling it.

FWIW, the Mosaic page linked to in the e-mail leads with

"Charles Tolliver All Stars

Mosaic Singles"

4 hours ago, felser said:

Ordered that puppy online as fast as I could type!

+1. I have not been bullish on Mosaic's future, but this is a very positive sign.

Edited by T.D.

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Holy unexpected developments, Batman!!

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22 minutes ago, T.D. said:

FWIW, the Mosaic page linked to in the e-mail leads with

"Charles Tolliver All Stars

Mosaic Singles"

+1. I have not been bullish on Mosaic's future, but this is a very positive sign.

Yes, I noticed the apparent "Mosaic Singles" branding--a series that I thought was long defunct.  Would be great if it was occasionally revived for releases like this.

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I was afraid it was an early April Fool's joke. Apparently not.

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Posted (edited)

We'll see. I ordered this and the Webster. (Have the Armstrong and the excellent Bushkin).

Edited by jazzbo

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The vinyl for Tolliver is available on Amazon and importcds.com but not the CD. Importcds lists the label as "Pure Pleasure." If this was a Mosaic exclusive wouldn't they own both formats?

I just ordered through Mosaic. $6 shipping for a single CD is mighty steep. Perhaps they'll ship it with the forthcoming Mobley Mosaic that I preordered....

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Has someone got a link for buying the cd?

cheers

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