Larry Kart Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 https://www.allmusic.com/album/hub-songs-the-music-of-freddie-hubbard-mw0000031683 Had modest expectations, and was I surprised. This 1998 album of Freddie Hubbard pieces -- played by Tim Hagans, Marcus Printup, Javon Jackson, Vincent Herring, Benny Green, Peter Washington, and Kenny Washington -- is quite something. Freddie was the producer, he and board member David Weiss wrote the charts. the late Bob Belden was executive producer. The nature of the date, a semi-tribute to the damaged-lip Hubbard, made me wary, but the music-making is fresh and very intense. Hagans I've long admired (back in the early '80s I enthusiastically reviewed his first album on an obscure Cincinnati-based label), but Printup I'd thought of as just another Young Lion. Wrong -- at least on the evidence here; he's got a brain, chops, and a heart. Kudos as well to Benny Green; he plays his ass off. Engineer is Jim Anderson, also at his best. A sample: On both, Printup has the first tpt. solo, Hagans the second: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 This is disc I've thought about picking up a couple dozen times, but just never have. Probable will, next time I see it used somewhere (or at Dusty Groove, if I'm ordering other stuff). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just ordered used copy from Amazon marketplace. David Weiss is a fabulous arranger - his participation and Larry's recommendation are plenty enough to convince me, especially since I love Hubbard's best work so much. Thanks, Larry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 Had it for 20 years (a group of Young Lions playing a classic songbook - that was a no-brainer to me back then if not now) maybe I should pull it out for a spin. Now where did I file that one .... Hagans, Printup or Hubbard? Printup or Hubbard, I'm betting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 55 minutes ago, Dan Gould said: Had it for 20 years (a group of Young Lions playing a classic songbook - that was a no-brainer to me back then if not now) maybe I should pull it out for a spin. Now where did I file that one .... Hagans, Printup or Hubbard? Printup or Hubbard, I'm betting. This looks like one I would file under V for Various Artists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 I tend to file tribute albums with multiple leaders under the artist they are tributing, so if this makes my permanent shelves, it will go under "Hubbard". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 Co-leaders, not Various Artists. billed as Hagans & Printup. Goes under H, and after the Hagans led-alone inventory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Dan Gould said: Had it for 20 years (a group of Young Lions playing a classic songbook - that was a no-brainer to me back then if not now) maybe I should pull it out for a spin. Now where did I file that one .... Hagans, Printup or Hubbard? Printup or Hubbard, I'm betting. It's under Printup because I was pretty consistently picking up his BN releases back then. But I think it will be re-filed with Hubbard discs as I found this one located there, Apparently Javon Jackson was the go-to tenor for this kind of thing. Eddie Henderson, Marcus Belgrave, Wallace Roney but not so much interaction, only one track with more than one trumpeter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 I somewhat surprised that I don't still own this. I know I owned it at one point but i can't find it for anything. Time to search under Hagans or Printup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 History will be more than kind to those who found ways to keep Freddie busy (i.e. - keep getting paid) when his chops failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, JSngry said: History will be more than kind to those who found ways to keep Freddie busy (i.e. - keep getting paid) when his chops failed. Are there other Hubbard tribute albums similar to the two mentioned in this thread? Also, props to David Weiss, who I believe did a LOT for Hubbard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 I don't know about albums, but I seem to remember gigs where he led groups but did not actually play, or played very little. Business is not always this kind. Cuscuna did it with Andrew Hill (and maybe Sam Rivers?), somebody did it for Roy Eldridge (it seemed, he did lecture gigs after he couldn't play). It does happen, people in the business making sure something is there to come in. But it's not the norm, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 This same thing happened with Buck Clayton. When he could no longer play, he was hired to do arrangements, and he led a band for a while, in which he did not play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 16 hours ago, Peter Friedman said: This same thing happened with Buck Clayton. When he could no longer play, he was hired to do arrangements, and he led a band for a while, in which he did not play. It's been years but wasn't his inability to play somehow related to an event and not a loss of chops? Was he the one I heard got caught messing with the wrong woman and got his jaw busted for it? If so, I wonder if he kept his band together because he thought maybe he could get back to playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 Are you maybe thinking of Thad Jones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, JSngry said: Are you maybe thinking of Thad Jones? Ah, yeah , that sounds right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted June 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 IIRC, Clayton was regarded as a talented arranger long before he was unable to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 Yes, that's true, but once he stopped playing it seemed he got more arranging gigs. Here is one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 I wasn't there, but it sure seems that there was a core of people at that time/place (NYC/1970s) that really had the back of a lot of those Old Testament Basie-ites. Seems like there was a sense of almost sacred responsibility to keep that thing alive. Keeping Buck Clayton active, writing and fronting a band, that certainly would be in line with that sense of saying "thank you" in deeds as well as words. Maybe I'm wrong? Still, look at the Countsmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 I remember seeing Buck Clayton’s band (minus Buck - who had passed away about 6 months previously) at Town Hall in NYC in the early 90s. Fond memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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