David Ayers Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 So the curiously titled releases from these two artists look like being compilations...? You tell me... https://www.prestomusic.com/jazz/products/8650240--marion-brown-1965-1966-with-alan-shorter-capricorn-moon-to-juba-lee Here, then, is the early work of two men who in most important regards overturned the conventional image of the jazz musician as hard-drinking, drug-using, spontaneous rather than measured, inclined to elevate ideas over feeling, hedonistic rather than altruistic, wreckers of civilisation (whatever exactly that is) rather than natural builders. We’re deeply guilty, all of us, of perpetuating this myth, which is why Marion Brown and Alan Shorter are such precious as well as tutelary figures in our music. They speak to and from a sensibility that is able to absorb ideas without becoming fixated on them, that studies and uses classical technique without becoming imprisoned by it or making a fetish of it. Brian Morton Contents Capricorn Moon Mephistopheles Juba Lee Iditus https://www.prestomusic.com/jazz/products/8650238--albert-ayler-quartets-1964-spirits-to-saints The mystery of Albert Ayler’s musical legacy – as much as that of his still-unexplained death in 1970 – remains today, more than 54 years after these explosive, enigmatic studio recordings were made in early and late 1964, a source of conjecture and controversy. Primarily because his stunningly powerful projection, unorthodox technique, and unique vision resisted the typical methods of description and analysis, critics and scholars have sought to illuminate or, on the other hand, discredit Ayler’s extraordinarily original creations largely through speculation and metaphor. Art Lange Contents Spirits Prophecy (misstitled Saints) Holy, Holy Witches And Devils Ghosts Mothers Vibrations Holy Spirit Ghosts (short version) Children Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 In the case of the Marion Brown, looks like you get the Marion Brown Quartet album except for one short cut, and half of the Juba-Lee album. When will companies learn that people like us buy full albums, not cuts from albums? And who else would be a market for this? Assume the Ayler takes the same approach, but didn't bother to research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 also more than likely bootlegs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) Agreed on crappy format. If not bootlegs, I would consider the Brown if there are compelling price reasons (don't own the original albums, which I suspect are expensive). Perhaps also the Ayler, but like felser I haven't investigated content. If bootlegs, no interest. Edited July 9, 2019 by T.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 Terrible not to just reissue Juba-Lee in full. The ESP date has been widely available for decades, while the Fontana has never had a very viable CD release. Really disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyles Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 I don't know how to determine a "viable CD release", or whether they would be considered bootlegs, but Juba-Lee was part of the Cool Music reissues a couple of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 Watch this site for further info; CD artwork appears at the bottom of the page: https://hathut.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 44 minutes ago, relyles said: I don't know how to determine a "viable CD release", or whether they would be considered bootlegs, but Juba-Lee was part of the Cool Music reissues a couple of years ago. That's where I got it, along with 5 others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, relyles said: I don't know how to determine a "viable CD release", or whether they would be considered bootlegs, but Juba-Lee was part of the Cool Music reissues a couple of years ago. I say viable because those were available only overseas for a few months and now list well over $100 when they even turn up. edit: which is of course egregious because they’re stone bootlegs anyhow Edited July 9, 2019 by colinmce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 Looks like the Ayler one will be the complete two Debut (Danish) LPs "Witches & Devils" & "Ghosts" which were released in the US/UK on Arista/Freedom as "Witches & Devils" & "Vibrations" respectively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romualdo Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, colinmce said: I say viable because those were available only overseas for a few months and now list well over $100 when they even turn up. edit: which is of course egregious because they’re stone bootlegs anyhow WTF!! I picked all 6 of those up at the time - have you seen the prices they are asking on discogs & mere boots to boot Edited July 9, 2019 by romualdo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted July 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 15 hours ago, romualdo said: Looks like the Ayler one will be the complete two Debut (Danish) LPs "Witches & Devils" & "Ghosts" which were released in the US/UK on Arista/Freedom as "Witches & Devils" & "Vibrations" respectively Thanks for working that out. I have those (important!) LPs but don't recall what their CD history has been. Maybe this one at least is no bad thing even if the Brown, uh, could be different... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyles Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 17 hours ago, colinmce said: I say viable because those were available only overseas for a few months and now list well over $100 when they even turn up. edit: which is of course egregious because they’re stone bootlegs anyhow Thanks for the clarification. Glad I picked them up when they were available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted July 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 By the way, Presto are the uk distributor for Hat, which is why they have this pre-info. UK-ites may already know that they have a substantial jazz department alongside their main classical department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 On 7/10/2019 at 9:53 AM, relyles said: Thanks for the clarification. Glad I picked them up when they were available. I bought them from Jazz Messengers (Barcelona). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted July 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 FWIW, Presto have a sale on Hat titles (not these new issues). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted July 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 AND, not on the Hat website yet, Mengelberg’s Two Days in Chicago is being reissued. https://www.prestomusic.com/jazz/products/8651481--two-days-in-chicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, David Ayers said: AND, not on the Hat website yet, Mengelberg’s Two Days in Chicago is being reissued. https://www.prestomusic.com/jazz/products/8651481--two-days-in-chicago This is a reissue by Outhere, the owner of the Hat Hut back catalog. And this disc is very much so-so. Edited July 14, 2019 by Д.Д. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted July 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Д.Д. said: This is a reissue by Outhere, the owner of the Hat Hut back catalog. And this disc is very much so-so. It’s probably just the 2018 reissue mistakenly listed as new! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, David Ayers said: It’s probably just the 2018 reissue mistakenly listed as new! Well, it's listed as 2019 release on the orange sidebar. Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted July 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Д.Д. said: Well, it's listed as 2019 release on the orange sidebar. Whatever. Couldn’t see that on my phone. I was going by the date on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 The Ayler disc mentioned that it is released by permission of the Ayler estate. I wonder what sources were used for the remastering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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