Bright Moments Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 I just have to get this off my chest! Albert Ayler is AWESOME!!! Evan Parker hurts my head like 1000 dogs!! I'm sure you all agree right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphie_boy Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 I've never heard Parker, but I'm with you as far as Ayler is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 I've never heard Parker, but I'm with you as far as Ayler is concerned. Doh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Uh, Ayler couldn't even play the saxophone. Yeah, and I hate Tatum, just no technique. Also: why does everybody adore Coltrane? I'd rather go for Kenny G - much more pleasant, you can listen in whatever situation you are - plus, read my signature... ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Yes, and Duke Ellington couldn´t write a single tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Yes, and Duke Ellington couldn´t write a single tune. Forget about Ellington! Kenny G is my favourite composer! And forget about Strayhorn, anyway! He hardly even deserves mention! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 ************* is AWESOME!!! Shouldn't that read "awful"? I xxx-ed out the name, as such obscenities should be forbidden! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Ayler's fine with me but I've never been able to get into Evan Parker. Parker can play though. I saw him recently do a solo set on soprano which mainly cosisted of runs up and down the instrument but with a change of tonal centre every few minutes. Twenty minutes was quite long enough. His second set was with a classical Indian alto saxist accompanied by tabla etc. where he played pretty much straight ahead and listenable tenor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minew Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 I adore both. Yes, even Parker's extended circular-breathed soprano solos that my wife says sound like "someone killing a bagpipe." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Both are fine with me, but I'm much more familiar w/Ayler. I dig where Parker's coming from, though, and what he's doing. It's more of a "niche" type thing from what I've heard, but it's a niche he occupies comfortably and commandingly. Plus he has the distinct advantage of still being alive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted March 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Plus he has the distinct advantage of still being alive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 I love Ayler, of course! Don't know Parker very well, but love what I have heard of him. Sorry for all that fun, Evan, but the "v." part of the title did cry for that! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 This just in: Parker still alive, still a contender! I'm not that familiar with his work, but it's interesting! I'm an Ayler NUT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 (edited) I have to admit that I'm completely unfamiliar with Parker's music. Can anyone suggest a good place to begin listening? I began listening to Albert Ayler's music almost 40 years ago (that scares me a little when I think about it - the fact that I'm that old, that is). The fact that I still listen to it today says more than anything I can write about it. When I read the title of this thread, I thought that it was about Charlie and Albert. Edited March 17, 2004 by paul secor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 The first thing I ever heard from Evan Parker was LINES BURNT IN LIGHT, which Al sent me last year. Or was it two years ago? Either way, it is absolutely one of the most amazing solo recordings I have ever heard, like the first time I heard Milford Graves GRAND UNIFICATION. I just couldn't believe my ears. I would recommend that as a great start. Solo soprano saxophone circular breathing huge cathedral recording. You won't believe how many saxophone lines you are hearing! And there is NO OVERDUBBING. I'm telling you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 (edited) Or Try 50th Birthday Concert (the one with the crown in Penguin) for a mix of settings. Edited March 17, 2004 by Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 I tend to think Lines Burnt on Light probably sounds great if you've never heard Parker's solo stuff before....but actually I found it pretty disappointing, & much prefer any of the earlier solo discs I've heard (e.g. Conic Sections or Monoceros). On the other hand the 50th birthday concert set is an excellent place to start. Anyway I still don't fathom the rationale of this thread--why arbitrarily pick two musicians & denigrate one at the expense of the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 BTW, I think Parker is, in theory at least, the pre-eminent post-Coltrane tenor player. That he's chosen a different path with that knowledge & technique is pretty admirable I think. Ya'll need to look to Peter Brotzmann for the strongest post-Ayler line. clem Couldn'tve said it better myself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Williams Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 (edited) I've been listening to Parker for just 18 months. I made a point of buying recordings with him in different settings: solo, duo, with piano, large band, etc - seemed a good way of getting into someone with a large discography. Monoceros (hard to find) and Six Of One (available from Emanem) are easy to like solo recordings, and, to my ears, completely fecking amazing (it's not so much the circular breathing feat - that's a means to an end - rather, the whole approach). Most Materiall is another favourite: a fascinating duo disk with percussionist Eddie Prevost. The recent duo release with pianist Stan Tracey (Suspensions & Anticipations on Psi) is possibly the easiest way in for anyone not used to the territory he tends to inhabit. Elf Bagatellen, with Von Schlippenbach: a recent buy, getting a lot of play. Confession: yet to hear any Ayler Edited March 17, 2004 by David Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrugs Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 the duets with Joe McPhee are gorgeous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 I like my free jazz in small doses; generally I prefer jazz on the edge of free that occasionally tips over rather than 100% free. The LJCO, Brotherhood of Breath etc. As a result most of my experience of Parker has been on more tonal discs - Kenny Wheeler's for example. It places him in a wider context which might not be what his hardcore appreciators want but suits me. There's some great Parker on Wheeler's 'Music for Large and Small Ensembles', 'Around Six' and the recently reissued 'Song for Someone' In a more blurred setting I really like his contributions to the Spring Heel Jack record, Amassed. Live he is quite stunning. As Impossible puts it "You won't believe how many saxophone lines you are hearing!" Two discs I really love are the two ECMs with Barre Phillips and Paul Bley - "Time Will Tell" and "Sankt Gerold". Cool, misty but quite beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted March 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 (edited) just picked up Ayler's "nuits de la fondation maeght 1970" and "witches & devils" remastered. can't wait until the weekend to hear them! Edited March 18, 2004 by Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 Wow, you're going to have some good listening this weekend! (Me too!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 First of a 3 part series on Evan Parker went out on BBC Radio 3 tonight. Parker talking about his own music and life. You can hear part 1 here for the next week: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazz/jazzfile.shtml Part 2 goes out next Saturday at 6.00 UK time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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