ghost of miles

COVID-19 2.0: No Politics edition

545 posts in this topic

Hey all--Jsngry has given me the green light to begin a new thread about this topic, which is so threatening and pertinent to us all right now.  I learned much of value from the previous one (the bogus nature of the so-called "Stanford" list, for starters), but it was shut down because it turned political, and in a very volatile way.  While I understand that many of us harbor strong feelings about the causes and handling of this crisis, we cannot bring politics into the discussion on this particular forum.  So please, post personal updates, public information of use, news, etc.--but do not weigh in in any manner that sets a political fuse burning.  Here's Jsngry's response to my request to start a new thread:

Feel free to open the thread, with my blessings.

Note that no posts were deleted from the closed thread, I can and will repeat this process as much as necessary.

But yes, communication and information are critical, so go ahead, start a new thread, quote me if you like, and stress what the guidelines will be. And that they will be enforced.

So stay well, all, and stay apolitical in this thread (and elsewhere on the board).  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As I said elsewhere, people are frightened, angry & frustrated.

San Francisco just issued a shelter at home order.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The president said this might last through the summer. At this moment, that’s hard to grasp but we will have to grasp it. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Governor of Indiana has followed suit of neighboring states and ordered restaurants and bars to go to carryout/delivery only immediately through the end of the month.  My guess is that timeline will be extended.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When I type "covid" into google, the auto-complete offers "covid translate to hebrew". Apparently there's a conspiracy theory going around that if you google-translate covid to Hebrew and back to English you get "Kobe", which proves ... something.

Also, consider this: Kobe is buried in Corona del Mar!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

I've read that the Old Vic in the UK is extremely reluctant to do refunds for cancelled shows.

Most the theatre companies here are processing full refunds, though most will at least ask you to consider leaving the funds with them as a credit (for future production some day) or an outright donation. 

If I'm asked very nicely, I will consider holding off on a refund, though it gets my back up when you assume that I will or make it hard for me to get said refund.  I have encountered one company in Toronto that was very reluctant to do any refunds, but I decided not to press the issue.

Given that my gym membership fee is very nominal, I will continue paying that for the time being.  I'd like them to be able to keep the lights on and still be there whenever this blows over.  Same with the arts/theatre companies for that matter.

Edited by ejp626

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

[California] has begun enacting extreme measures to halt the coronavirus outbreak. On Monday, six counties around Silicon Valley, one of the hardest-hit areas in the nation, announced a shelter-at-home order that begins Tuesday, which Mayor Sam Liccardo of San Jose said was the strongest directive yet in the United States. Residents were told not go out for three weeks except to meet “essential needs.”

The shelter-in-place order ... is expected to disrupt life for millions of residents in Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, San Francisco and Santa Clara Counties. The city of Berkeley also issued the same order.

A day earlier, Gov. Gavin Newsom had told all residents older than 65 to stay in their homes. He called for the closure of bars, nightclubs and wineries, and restrictions on restaurants. He banned visits to hospitals and nursing homes unless patients were on the edge of death. He announced plans to buy hotels to house some of the state’s 150,000 homeless people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/us/california-covid-19.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I went to my local mega-grocery at 6 am on Saturday to get supplies while largely avoiding crowds and was surprised by the empty shelves-not that there were empty shelves but what kinds of things are being snapped up by ancious shoppers.   I took some pictures with my phone to show Mrs. Duckworth and was shut down by Korger employees telling me that I can not do that.  I understand that pictures of empty shelves could cause panic among some, but the restriction felt unnecessary.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The City of Dallas just ordered the closure of all bars, theaters and gyms. Restaurants to be  to go only.                                                                                                                                                                

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

NYC is in the same boat, in addition galleries, museums, and most stores have shut down. I would not be surprised if we get some sort of rolling stay-home orders too.

I work for a nonprofit as an archivist. I can do some of my work remotely, but getting out of the rhythm of going to my office sucks. Our work relies in part on a summer program for resident artists that sadly I see being cancelled this year. I don't know what will happen as a result.

Also, though I'm in my 40s and reasonably healthy (exercise regularly, don't smoke, don't eat too much garbage), I think the danger to people under 50 is grossly understated. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Regarding refunds and/or the lack thereof, as mentioned in the locked thread, cash flow is a bitch.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, clifford_thornton said:

 I think the danger to people under 50 is grossly understated. 

So do I.  The 80% of "minor" occurrences include pneumonia and lung scarring.  Just means you didn't need to be hospitalized and put on a respirator.   I'm 65 and my wife is 68 and we are in the Pennsylvania epicenter, so we are definitely in for the duration except for essential supply runs.   

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, felser said:

So do I.  The 80% of "minor" occurrences include pneumonia and lung scarring.  Just means you didn't need to be hospitalized and put on a respirator.   I'm 65 and my wife is 68 and we are in the Pennsylvania epicenter, so we are definitely in for the duration except for essential supply runs.   

Likewise. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Reuters is as non-partisan a source as I could find (and appears to be the very first source on this story as well)...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-usa/germany-tries-to-halt-u-s-interest-in-firm-working-on-coronavirus-vaccine-idUSKBN2120IV

  • BERLIN (Reuters) - Berlin is trying to stop Washington from persuading a German company seeking a coronavirus vaccine to move its research to the United States, prompting German politicians to insist no country should have a monopoly on any future vaccine.

...which I find...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unconscionable

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

29 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said:

Reuters is as non-partisan a source as I could find (and appears to be the very first source on this story as well)...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-usa/germany-tries-to-halt-u-s-interest-in-firm-working-on-coronavirus-vaccine-idUSKBN2120IV

  • BERLIN (Reuters) - Berlin is trying to stop Washington from persuading a German company seeking a coronavirus vaccine to move its research to the United States, prompting German politicians to insist no country should have a monopoly on any future vaccine.

...which I find...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unconscionable

Appears the Reuters article is fake news.  See: https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/03/16/reuters-stealth-edits-debunked-story-claiming-trump-sought-monopoly-on-covid-19-vaccine/

Edited by mjzee
Changed "Appears that the article..." to "Appears the Reuters article..." Tired of snarky comments, I wanted to be as exact as possible.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Yes, Breitbart is fake news.

Did you read the article?  Ad hominem snarky comments don't help.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, mjzee said:

Did you read the article?  Ad hominem snarky comments don't help.

I skimmed it, but whether it's true or not is irrelevant since BB has no credibility. You might as well have cited your personal astrologer as the source. I wouldn't believe either without gaining independent verification, and I just don't care enough about this particular story to go to that effort.

1 hour ago, Chuck Nessa said:

Any excuse will do for those people to load up on ammo.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Chuck Nessa said:

It does raise some concerning questions. People in the service industries as well as the service industries themselves are going to be hurt. At some point they may not choose to take it anymore. There may be a tipping point. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Let's stick to personally known/provable facts here and keep our opinions for elsewhere. This is not a music or sports thread, so please, adjust the "banter" accordingly and appropriately.

Y'all know who y'all are, ok?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hoping (perhaps against hope) that we as a country--messy and complex and troubled/screwed-up as we are--will somehow rise to this and ride it out.  There's going to be a lot of damage--all kinds of it.  The measures that seem so extreme right now may help mitigate that damage, or at least stretch it out in a way that's not impossible to absorb.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

FYI. Politicize this (or not) as you see fit. If you don't believe me, delete the post and sayonara. My brother is a doctor in a major city (3d largest in the state) in upstate NY. This is what he said in personal e-mail today:

[in reply to "How's it going?"]: 

Crazy. Not a lot of cases yet but uncertainty and anxiety. The sad thing is that this illustrates how messed up our health care system is. The outfit that supplies our hospital with all personal protective gear was, until a few weeks ago, getting all of the materials from factories in Wuhan China. We have not gotten any of the results of the 250+ COVID tests and have just gotten the capacity to run the tests here today and capacity will only be about 100 a day.

The hospital and country are running out of gloves, masks and goggles.

Not a good scene.

 

[in reply to "Damn"]:

I'm not worried personally but we are so poorly prepared for something like this.  Running out of gloves and masks in the US in 2020!

 

Edited by T.D.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

CBS Evening News is saying "it's estimated" 3.5 billion N-95 masks will be needed, but currently there is a national stockpile of 12 million.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
52 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

CBS Evening News is saying "it's estimated" 3.5 billion N-95 masks will be needed, but currently there is a national stockpile of 12 million.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.