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COVID-19 2.0: No Politics edition

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Which is what happens when you appeal to people's better nature rather than tell them. You can't be everyone's best mate in an international emergency. 

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I'm officially provisionally unemployed since last Thursday. So far I have managed to drive my wife crazy way more than my allocated weekly allowance. She is working, so I only see her a few hours a day, but thank god for uninterrupted cellular signal. Tele-quetching ... I love it, and Im good at it.

Some observational notes :

The cable news channels are just fear-mongering machines, fine-tuned to near perfection. All of them, no matter the political angle. 

I've been working out every day, but am still not losing any weight.  WTF?!

Traffic in the the gun stores is insane; even the anti-gun people are buying firearms. It's somewhat nostalgic to see people standing 6 feet apart outside the gun shop, line is wrapping around the block, like in the USSR, when the toilet paper was said to be available...until the stock runs dry.

Speaking of the toilet paper, our BJ's was sold out of 8 pallets by 9:30am. They opened at 9. Darwinism at work. 

On the positive angle -  I'm spending a lot of time with my kids, and they are actually eager to do various chores around the house, since there isn't anything else to do, god forbid, like reading. So far they've vacuumed, washed the floors, did the laundry, and are on to the yard cleaning next. 

Went to the liquor store yesterday at 1pm, and saw the locals I've never seen before - the drunks. Makes sense now - noon is the time to refill on the cheap booze and expensive cigarettes, once you shake off enough of yesterday's hangover... 

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18 hours ago, mjazzg said:

Which is what happens when you appeal to people's better nature rather than tell them. You can't be everyone's best mate in an international emergency. 

Boris is full of cr*p. What is the point of telling everyone who needs it to order home delivery when everywhere in the country is booked up for the next 1-2 months. Hopeless !

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2 minutes ago, sidewinder said:

Boris is full of cra*p. What is the point of telling everyone who needs it to order home delivery when everywhere in the country is booked up for the next 1-2 months. Hopeless !

Trying to figure out what letter you asterisked there...

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I posted this in the Covid poll. I thought I have to repost it here because IMO it's the wisest and smartest contribution I read about the covid, and trust me I read lots of them, unfortunately.

 

At the Epicenter of the Covid-19 Pandemic and Humanitarian Crises in Italy: Changing Perspectives on Preparation and Mitigation

https://catalyst.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/CAT.20.0080

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The discrepancy between government reassurances of the availability of PPE and the testimony of frontline staff is stark and seemingly increasing. I know who I tend to believe.

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19 hours ago, mjazzg said:

The discrepancy between government reassurances of the availability of PPE and the testimony of frontline staff is stark and seemingly increasing. I know who I tend to believe.

Same thing here in the USA.  

31 minutes ago, David Ayers said:

 

London woman, 36, dies of suspected Covid-19 after being told she is 'not priority'

 

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/london-woman-36-dies-of-suspected-covid-19-after-being-told-she-is-not-priority

 

I’m not impressed. 

Heartbreaking, and there is going to be a lot more of this.  Horrible lose-lose choices will need to be made, and often they will prove to be wrong.  My prayers include wisdom and grace for the decision-makers.  

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I have inside information from Mount Sinai health system. Their modeling (not public info at this time) says 40 days to the peak in NYC.

Maybe that is actually good if it is a flattened, but extended rise to the peak? Don't ask me for my source but I have no reason to doubt their info.

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1 hour ago, Dan Gould said:

Maybe that is actually good if it is a flattened, but extended rise to the peak? Don't ask me for my source but I have no reason to doubt their info.

Yes, it's more a matter of how many are at the peak, rather than how far out it is.  To minimize overrunning capacity at any given time.  There may be better ideas on treating it by then, also.  Tangible progress seems to be happening on that front every day.  At current rate, the entire city would have it in like four weeks, so that does seem to indicate a definite flattening.  Would love to know what the model shows as the # of cases at the peak, but I know you probably can't get that.

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Meanwhile this huge London structure is being converted into an overflow hospital with 4000 critical care beds. 
 

I feel quite familiar with this building as, up until last year, I did the annual London Tri there. So I’ve biked swum and run around it quite a few times and I can easily imagine the thousands of beds in those massive open spaces. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/25/nhs-nightingale-video-shows-scale-of-london-coronavirus-hospital-excel

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What is evident from  Italian experience  is that Covid patients should be treated in separate and specific structures avoiding by any means being in contact with common ER and health systems. Medics should adopt the strongest protocols in order to avoid infections. Over here almost twenty doctors with no previous diseases died because of Covid. 

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1 hour ago, David Ayers said:

Meanwhile this huge London structure is being converted into an overflow hospital with 4000 critical care beds. 
 

I feel quite familiar with this building as, up until last year, I did the annual London Tri there. So I’ve biked swum and run around it quite a few times and I can easily imagine the thousands of beds in those massive open spaces. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/25/nhs-nightingale-video-shows-scale-of-london-coronavirus-hospital-excel

That's very sobering

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Braved the grocery shop with 2m separation this morning. Extremely well organised, even got a pack of T. roll. :excited:

Haven’t been so thrilled with eagerness and anticipation in a shop queue since Mole Jazz’s in-store New Year sales of yore !

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20 hours ago, porcy62 said:

What is evident from  Italian experience  is that Covid patients should be treated in separate and specific structures avoiding by any means being in contact with common ER and health systems. Medics should adopt the strongest protocols in order to avoid infections. Over here almost twenty doctors with no previous diseases died because of Covid. 

I have information that Lombardy went down rapidly because of the thousands of Chinese nationals legally and illegally living there, working in sweat shops for the fashion industry. Are there enclaves of the Chinese there, akin to the Indian reservations here, with their own laws, etc., and the local authorities closing their eyes to the anti-sanitary conditions, because everyone was making money? True or not? Thanks.

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17 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

I have information that Lombardy went down rapidly because of the thousands of Chinese nationals legally and illegally living there, working in sweat shops for the fashion industry. Are there enclaves of the Chinese there, akin to the Indian reservations here, with their own laws, etc., and the local authorities closing their eyes to the anti-sanitary conditions, because everyone was making money? True or not? Thanks.

Unfortunately true (btw not thousands - 50.000 +).... mirroring the fact the that considerable small part of Italy`s economy is run/controlled by the mafia .... for decades ....

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19 minutes ago, T.D. said:

Bergamo Mayor Giorgio Gori said this week: "It's very probable that 40,000 Bergamaschi in the stands of San Siro, all together, exchanged the virus between them.

"Unfortunately, we couldn't have known. No one knew the virus was already here. It was inevitable."

 

The head of the WHO had recently stated there was no evidence of the human-to-human transmission. The Chinese were also proclaiming, urbi et orbi, that airline travel to and from China was safe.  Also, even after the first cases started to snowball, the Italian populist politicians from top to bottom were hi-fiving each other, breaking their own quarantine, drinking Prosecco and happily giving tv interviews that no-one was afraid of the virus. 

This article is poor. The writer completely misses the point of his own title - who infected the football stadium fans before they, in turn, infected the others, and where did the infection come from to Italy, in the first place.

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2 hours ago, Dmitry said:

I have information that Lombardy went down rapidly because of the thousands of Chinese nationals legally and illegally living there, working in sweat shops for the fashion industry. Are there enclaves of the Chinese there, akin to the Indian reservations here, with their own laws, etc., and the local authorities closing their eyes to the anti-sanitary conditions, because everyone was making money? True or not? Thanks.

Not true, we have one of biggest chinese community close to Florence, Prato, that is untouched. The most recovered people are italians. So this a fake news, a little bit racist towards chineses and italians IMHO.

Considering that the chinese region where started the contagion is one of the most developped with thousands of manifacturing factories, that thousands of foreigners come and go for quality control, making deal, whathever the interconnected global industries need, and that the covid is freaking contagious, you don't need a anti-sanitary conditions, just some engineers from Milan or Detroit that were there to control the chain supply of an electronic component and if these engineers were asymptomatic they were perfect agents of contagion. I tend to believe scientists nowadays rather then journalists looking for front page stories. No offense for engineers.

BTW Bergamo, the most hitted city, has lots of high tech factories producing lots of component for german automotive industries, like Brembo the guys who make brakes for Ferrari, Porsche and all the motor sports like F 1 , Superbike, etc..

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34 minutes ago, bresna said:

Man, when I think about all of the New England Patriots games I've been to... this could've easily been me if the timing was right. The high-fives that happen after a touchdown could be a thing of the past.

With Brady gone, they may be a thing of the past anyways...

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7 minutes ago, felser said:

With Brady gone, they may be a thing of the past anyways...

Best post of the tread!

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