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COVID-19 2.0: No Politics edition

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19 minutes ago, T.D. said:

Bergamo Mayor Giorgio Gori said this week: "It's very probable that 40,000 Bergamaschi in the stands of San Siro, all together, exchanged the virus between them.

"Unfortunately, we couldn't have known. No one knew the virus was already here. It was inevitable."

 

The head of the WHO had recently stated there was no evidence of the human-to-human transmission. The Chinese were also proclaiming, urbi et orbi, that airline travel to and from China was safe.  Also, even after the first cases started to snowball, the Italian populist politicians from top to bottom were hi-fiving each other, breaking their own quarantine, drinking Prosecco and happily giving tv interviews that no-one was afraid of the virus. 

This article is poor. The writer completely misses the point of his own title - who infected the football stadium fans before they, in turn, infected the others, and where did the infection come from to Italy, in the first place.

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2 hours ago, Dmitry said:

I have information that Lombardy went down rapidly because of the thousands of Chinese nationals legally and illegally living there, working in sweat shops for the fashion industry. Are there enclaves of the Chinese there, akin to the Indian reservations here, with their own laws, etc., and the local authorities closing their eyes to the anti-sanitary conditions, because everyone was making money? True or not? Thanks.

Not true, we have one of biggest chinese community close to Florence, Prato, that is untouched. The most recovered people are italians. So this a fake news, a little bit racist towards chineses and italians IMHO.

Considering that the chinese region where started the contagion is one of the most developped with thousands of manifacturing factories, that thousands of foreigners come and go for quality control, making deal, whathever the interconnected global industries need, and that the covid is freaking contagious, you don't need a anti-sanitary conditions, just some engineers from Milan or Detroit that were there to control the chain supply of an electronic component and if these engineers were asymptomatic they were perfect agents of contagion. I tend to believe scientists nowadays rather then journalists looking for front page stories. No offense for engineers.

BTW Bergamo, the most hitted city, has lots of high tech factories producing lots of component for german automotive industries, like Brembo the guys who make brakes for Ferrari, Porsche and all the motor sports like F 1 , Superbike, etc..

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34 minutes ago, bresna said:

Man, when I think about all of the New England Patriots games I've been to... this could've easily been me if the timing was right. The high-fives that happen after a touchdown could be a thing of the past.

With Brady gone, they may be a thing of the past anyways...

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7 minutes ago, felser said:

With Brady gone, they may be a thing of the past anyways...

Best post of the tread!

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1 hour ago, porcy62 said:

Not true, we have one of biggest chinese community close to Florence, Prato, that is untouched. The most recovered people are italians. So this a fake news, a little bit racist towards chineses and italians IMHO.

Considering that the chinese region where started the contagion is one of the most developped with thousands of manifacturing factories, that thousands of foreigners come and go for quality control, making deal, whathever the interconnected global industries need, and that the covid is freaking contagious, you don't need a anti-sanitary conditions, just some engineers from Milan or Detroit that were there to control the chain supply of an electronic component and if these engineers were asymptomatic they were perfect agents of contagion. I tend to believe scientists nowadays rather then journalists looking for front page stories. No offense for engineers.

BTW Bergamo, the most hitted city, has lots of high tech factories producing lots of component for german automotive industries, like Brembo the guys who make brakes for Ferrari, Porsche and all the motor sports like F 1 , Superbike, etc..

Best post of the thread. A virus doesn't have a nationality, end of.

Hope you're hanging in there porcy62. The UK medical world is learning a lot from the Italian experience. A sad consequence but one that may save some lives in the end.

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3 hours ago, felser said:

With Brady gone, they may be a thing of the past anyways...

Brady is a thing of the past but the Patriots play on. There will still be touchdowns scored. I don't go to see one player nor does that one player win the game. QBs get too much credit for the team's wins and too much blame for their losses.

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13 hours ago, porcy62 said:

Not true, we have one of biggest chinese community close to Florence, Prato, that is untouched. The most recovered people are italians. So this a fake news, a little bit racist towards chineses and italians IMHO.

Considering that the chinese region where started the contagion is one of the most developped with thousands of manifacturing factories, that thousands of foreigners come and go for quality control, making deal, whathever the interconnected global industries need, and that the covid is freaking contagious, you don't need a anti-sanitary conditions, just some engineers from Milan or Detroit that were there to control the chain supply of an electronic component and if these engineers were asymptomatic they were perfect agents of contagion. I tend to believe scientists nowadays rather then journalists looking for front page stories. No offense for engineers.

BTW Bergamo, the most hitted city, has lots of high tech factories producing lots of component for german automotive industries, like Brembo the guys who make brakes for Ferrari, Porsche and all the motor sports like F 1 , Superbike, etc..

Dear "porcy62".can`t really see the "racist" aspect here .... let me add to my former statement, that national responsibility is also a huge topic in Austria, where via some hip skiing ressorts in the mountains (which were not closed early enough because of GREED)  a considerable number of infected tourists was "distribute" via Europe .... sad but true .... nevertheless much sympathy to you and your (=our neighbouring) country in these very dark and sad hours ......

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1 hour ago, soulpope said:

Dear "porcy62".can`t really see the "racist" aspect here .... let me add to my former statement, that national responsibility is also a huge topic in Austria, where via some hip skiing ressorts in the mountains (which were not closed early enough because of GREED)  a considerable number of infected tourists was "distribute" via Europe .... sad but true .... nevertheless much sympathy to you and your (=our neighbouring) country in these very dark and sad hours ......

"Racist" is the taste when one implies the anti-sanitary conditions are applied to one specific group, chinese or indians. I understand your point about national responsability, but more or less all of democratic governments dealed with the dilemma: economy or health, I wouldn't bet that a heavy economic recession will cause less casualties then covid.

BTW here in Rome liquor stores made thousands of deliveries per day: my last order:

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Prost!

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52 minutes ago, porcy62 said:

"Racist" is the taste when one implies the anti-sanitary conditions are applied to one specific group, chinese or indians. I understand your point about national responsability, but more or less all of democratic governments dealed with the dilemma: economy or health, I wouldn't bet that a heavy economic recession will cause less casualties then covid.

BTW here in Rome liquor stores made thousands of deliveries per day: my last order:

L_2087.png

Prost!

@percy62 : Prost .... and stay healthy !!

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Just heard that British PM Boris Johnson has tested positive for the virus.

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9 minutes ago, soulpope said:

@percy62 : Prost .... and stay healthy !!

Thanks! you too, they say to sanitize evrything with alcohol, I follow strictly the rule.

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18 minutes ago, porcy62 said:

Thanks! you too, they say to sanitize evrything with alcohol, I follow strictly the rule.

My cellar is full of Piemont beauties and it is hard to find a wine with less than 14% .... so applying to the rule too .... take care ....

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2 hours ago, porcy62 said:

"Racist" is the taste when one implies the anti-sanitary conditions are applied to one specific group, chinese or indians.

 

Your statement is bullshit. I really wasn't expecting for someone here to drag out the "racist" placard, as a response to my original post. Anti-sanitary conditions are responsible for millions of deaths every year, mostly in third world countries, or countries with large swaths of population living in, get ready, anti-sanitary conditions.

For instance, wet markets, like the one in Wuhan, where the virus is purported to have infected patient zero, are notorious for the detritus soup, in which the the buyers interact with sellers and their wares.

When large numbers of people live in cramped quarters, the anti-sanitary conditions prevail, and foster disease - from easily treated , but embarrassing pediculosis, like my son brought home from two weeks of a soccer camp in Madrid, to something a lot more serious. That's why I asked a question whether there was evidence that the virus originated in Lombardy in a Chinese enclave, where people work in sweat shops and live in cramped conditions.

True, diseases have no nationality, but they have origins...China, USA, Germany, Russia, Africa. Knowing and understanding them is essential for epidemiologists to fight, and hopefully cure them.

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1 hour ago, Dmitry said:

Your statement is bullshit. I really wasn't expecting for someone here to drag out the "racist" placard, as a response to my original post. Anti-sanitary conditions are responsible for millions of deaths every year, mostly in third world countries, or countries with large swaths of population living in, get ready, anti-sanitary conditions.

For instance, wet markets, like the one in Wuhan, where the virus is purported to have infected patient zero, are notorious for the detritus soup, in which the the buyers interact with sellers and their wares.

When large numbers of people live in cramped quarters, the anti-sanitary conditions prevail, and foster disease - from easily treated , but embarrassing pediculosis, like my son brought home from two weeks of a soccer camp in Madrid, to something a lot more serious. That's why I asked a question whether there was evidence that the virus originated in Lombardy in a Chinese enclave, where people work in sweat shops and live in cramped conditions.

True, diseases have no nationality, but they have origins...China, USA, Germany, Russia, Africa. Knowing and understanding them is essential for epidemiologists to fight, and hopefully cure them.

According to scientists in this case contagion in Italy has no relationship with anti-sanitary situation that we have for sure but in this case is not relevant. I am sorry If I overreacted but newspapers and social media are full of bullshits and crappy conspiracy theories about this virus. Sorry it wasn’t meant to you.

 

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6 hours ago, porcy62 said:

According to scientists in this case contagion in Italy has no relationship with anti-sanitary situation that we have for sure but in this case is not relevant. I am sorry If I overreacted but newspapers and social media are full of bullshits and crappy conspiracy theories about this virus. Sorry it wasn’t meant to you.

 

It takes a big man to apologize, and I appreciate it. We are all on edge here, regardless of our location. Stay safe, and enjoy the vino!

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Locally I am now seeing commercials for funeral providers. Sigh.

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I got a big brochure in the mail for taking the great courses and learning the classics from the comfort of your home.  A little bit cheerier...

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on face book per roberta gambarini-

 

PLEASE PRAY FOR DARIUS AND DAN BRUBECK...BOTH HOSPITALIZED WITH CORONAVIRUS AND IN CRITICAL CONDITIONS

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Good thoughts and wishes from here to Darius and Dan. Saw Darius with his group a couple of years ago, he was really excellent.

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47 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Here's a story about planning, listening, anticipating, and not fucking up after so doing:

https://www.texasmonthly.com/food/heb-prepared-coronavirus-pandemic/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

I read it. I don't know what they are doing that's different from our regional chains, at lest overtly, as I'm not privy to the runnings of the supermarket business. There's no food shortage, the toilet tissue is back in stock at our local supermarket. N95 masks...Do they have them now at HEB? Doesn't appear to be the case from reading the article. 

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I like how they paid attention and actually DID "see it coming".

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China's government not fully forthcoming? I'm shocked, I tell you. SHOCKED!

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