Pim Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) So anyone with some more information about this particular session? Its a bit of a strange one because Mal is only a composer and not the artist, though the album is brought out under his name. The French official release on Calumet has a median Discogs price of 850 euro's... Whats the story about it? Edited April 13, 2020 by Pim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) not my cup of tea. https://youtu.be/Qt8yKwGricE Edited April 13, 2020 by sonnymax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 I like it, and file it with my Waldron records (the reissue, that is). But it's more of a Lafayette Afro-Rock Band side project than anything. Calumet was a subsidiary of Musidisc and operated by Pierre Berjot; their only other release was Frank Wright's Church Number Nine. Candy Girl was originally pressed up in a small number of copies right before the label folded, and they didn't even make a cover for it. Keep in mind that Musidisc/America also released two other Lafayette Afro Rock Band titles as well -- Soul Makossa and Malik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted April 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Okay thanks! Sounds interesting enough. And thanks for that background info Clifford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Is it certain that he does not play on it at all? Kinda sounds like him soloing in spots... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted April 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 I cannot find a source mentioning him as the piano player. I ordered it yesterday so will listen closely as soon as I am able to give it a spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted April 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 https://www.discogs.com/The-Lafayette-Afro-Rock-Band-Afon-10-Unreleased-Afro-Funk-Recordings-1971-1974/release/2923872 https://www.discogs.com/Lafayette-Afro-Rock-Band-Darkest-Light-The-Best-Of-The-Lafayette-Afro-Rock-Band/release/1113934 These sources do note him as the keyboard player. Havent got the LP yet so no chance to give it a good listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 I listened to the video sampler. Sounded like him on Rhodes in a spot or two. 44 minutes ago, Pim said: https://www.discogs.com/The-Lafayette-Afro-Rock-Band-Afon-10-Unreleased-Afro-Funk-Recordings-1971-1974/release/2923872 https://www.discogs.com/Lafayette-Afro-Rock-Band-Darkest-Light-The-Best-Of-The-Lafayette-Afro-Rock-Band/release/1113934 These sources do note him as the keyboard player. Havent got the LP yet so no chance to give it a good listen. The first one does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted April 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 2 hours ago, JSngry said: I listened to the video sampler. Sounded like him on Rhodes in a spot or two. The first one does! Check out track D1 from the second release mentioned That track is also from the 'Candy Girl' record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 Definitely sounds like him, but all that I have come across lists Frank Abel, Jr. as the pianist. I think Mr. Abel is still alive and living outside NYC, so he could hopefully be asked. Either way, it's filed with my Waldron records and a bit of a mystery it remains... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 I'm thinking that if it sounds like him and it's a micro-label record with his name on it, that sloppy annotation and/or subsequent discographic work is at least a 51% good chance over him not being on the record at all on a trio record of his compositions w/o him on it and then making sure that somebody else played like him to boot! And truthfully, that smaple, where it sounded like him soloing, it sortakinda sounded like there was another set of hands doing subtle supporting keyboard work, maybe, ya' think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 Not that small a label -- America, also part of the Musidisc family, issued two Waldron LPs that were recorded around the same time. But it is possible that he was improperly credited on this release, sure. Then again, America releases are not immune to typos and other weirdness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 15, 2020 Report Share Posted April 15, 2020 yeah, I know the America/Musidisc family of labels Kinda, shall we say, "loose" sometimes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corto maltese Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 "Candy Girl" is supposed to be a session by Mal Waldron backed by the three members of Ice. But I've never heard or found any confirmation of that session. Mal Waldron's albums for Pierre Jaubert were recorded (and released) before Jaubert's association with Ice/Lafayette started. I've always suspected that this record was "created" by Jaubert, asking his studio band to add rhythm tracks to some older tapes of Waldron playing the electric piano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted April 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 Arrived today and must say: it does sound like Mal. Listened to the Call again to compare (the only record where Mal plays electric piano) and yeah: or this is Mal or this is a very good imitator. And I also share the feeling that there are two keyboard players (also like on The Call). Then there is the inner liner notes that do mention something like ‘when Mal recorded this music’ which makes it even more evident.... But what makes the mystery is of course that nor the cover not the LP itself mention Mal as keyboard player. Intrresting stuff and good observation Jim! More board members who got this record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Pim said: But what makes the mystery is of course that nor the cover not the LP itself mention Mal as keyboard player. I'm thinking that nobody bothered to consider that if they put out a Mal Waldron record AS a Mal Waldron record AND put Mal Waldron's picture on the cover that they would have to specify that Mal Waldron was actually playing on the record. Little did they know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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