BeBop Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 I can't remember the last time I heard "Whispering". "Groovin' High" I hear often. "All God's Chillun Got Rhythm" i hear once in a blue moon. 'Rose Room" or "In a Mellow Tone"? Perhaps just my musical preferences, but "Donna Lee" hits my ears more often thank "Back Home Again in Indiana", though I hear the latter pretty often. "I Got Rhythm"? You? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgcim Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 I found out the hard way that just because you know the changes to the contrafact, that doesn't mean you know the changes to the original it's based on. Some keyboard player called "How High The Moon" on a gig, and I figured I wouldn't have any trouble with it, because "Ornithology" is called way more often than HHTM, and I knew Ornithology backwards and forwards. But when we played HHTM, I kept screwing up the end of the A section of HHTM, because it's different than Ornithology. Since the keyboard player was a guy I never knew or worked with before, I figured he was playing the 'square' changes, and not the 'hip' Bird changes that everyone else plays. When I got home, I looked up the changes to HHTM, and saw the difference between the the two tunes. I was alone at the time, so I had to self flagellate instead of ordering my harem of nubiles to punish me for my both my mistake, and my unjust condemnation of said piano player, in order to satisfy my Opus Dei requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 I always quarreled with my mates in one band if the changes to Wes Montgomery's "Four On Six" were identical to those of "Summertime". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgcim Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, mikeweil said: I always quarreled with my mates in one band if the changes to Wes Montgomery's "Four On Six" were identical to those of "Summertime". Yeah, they are, with some subs Wes added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BeBop Posted July 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 I've never really looked at contrafacts as 'pure' or 'sacred' things. But, in my experience, even Rose Room or Blue Moon, original head, gets a bunch of harmonic substitutions almost baked in over time. Or maybe it's just the people I play with. Heck, Rose Room was written in the 1910s. Jazz and popular music evolved into some 'more advanced" harmonies over the next few decades. Then there are the contrafacts (can't recall at the moment) with a different bridge. As for "Whispering", it was one of my father's favorite songs. He played it often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 That one doesn't get played enough compared to the "fact", imo. Guilty here as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 On 23.7.2020 at 1:49 AM, sgcim said: Yeah, they are, with some subs Wes added. Thanks for the clarification (I should have asked back then, ca. ten years ago)! IIRC he even quotes "Summertime" at one point in one of the recordings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgcim Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 9:34 PM, JSngry said: That one doesn't get played enough compared to the "fact", imo. Guilty here as well. Great one on "OON" by Fats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Are "Peace Piece" and "Flamenco Sketches" contrafacts of "Some Other Time"? (I guess neither of them follow chord changes.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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medjuck Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, JSngry said: Tony Bennett does a nice version accompanied by Bill Evans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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