danasgoodstuff Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 On 3/16/2022 at 10:33 PM, Rabshakeh said: Jazz has no equivalent ingroup cultural memory in relation to the period between its wider popularity and the present. I wouldn't count on that, just because you don't know about it. If working in record stores has taught me anything, it's that there's a devoted fandom for darn near everything and critical analysis has darned little to do with it. People line things up and group them in all kinds of wonderfully weird ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted March 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 That's true. I'm always impressed when I go on Reddit and the people there have a completely different set of ideas about jazz to those that I've encountered elsewhere. I'm sure it's true anywhere you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyhersom Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 Joshua Redman, James Carter, Frank Kimbrough, Joe Locke, Ravi Coltrane, Jason Moran and Stefon Harris get occasional listens. It would probably be more if I lived where I got to hear them and similar players more often. I appreciate a younger musician that takes the time to appreciate the tradition and try not to demand utter originality from day one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMP Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 I put on one of those Harper Brothers ‘Verve’ albums the other day, but it wore me out after a couple tunes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted April 15, 2022 Report Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) I started listening to jazz in the early 1980s. Received a fantastic education on the classics from a college music professor. As for then current releases, relied on a great college record store staff. They directed me all over the place without regard to "bucket" i.e. Chick Corea and Muhal Richard Abrams simply both played keyboards. As for the stuff we are talking about, I read heard all about Wynton Marsalis and also knew of the current guys in the Blakey band. I saw an iteration circa 1984 or so with Blanchard/Harrison . Over the next few years, I generally came to the belief this music was stilted and moved toward more adventurous folks. Nevertheless, a bunch of neo-bop/young lion lps/CDs ended up in my collection. Listening to some of them over the past few months, a few opinions: Ralph Peterson - Blue Note LPs - very solid, exciting, both he and his soloists Geri Allen - same Kenny Kirkland - that album on GRP, while not fully a lost classic, is very nice as is most of his playing elsewhere Brandford Marsalis - there is a ton of it out there, both as a leader and sideman, holds my attention, although hard to cite a favorite or classic Wynton Marsalis - what is that dude up to? generally very boring, Black Codes and the Blues Alley date are exceptions. Who buys this stuff? Terence Blanchard - solo - generally good stuff, some good records that moved away from the neo-bop thing, more of his own sound Harper Brothers - actually saw them live, very spirited, but similar reaction to DMP on a CD Stephen Scott - a favorite back then and I stiff enjoy those Verve CDs Mulgrew Miller - very much enjoy the Landmark/Novus band LPs Kenny Garrett - hit or miss, own more than I enjoy Bennie Wallace - did not care for at the time, glad I kept them, like 'em now Chico Freeman - particularly his Musician/Contemporary LPs, loved them then, love them now Marcus Printup - really dug the Blue Note LPs, still enjoy today Joshua Redman - got zero traction with him Vincent Herring - liked the Landmark CD with Nat Adderley, but hard to engage beyond that Roy Hargrove - from the moment he jumped off a Bobby Watson LP, always loved his sound/style Leaving many folks out, but definitely some winners above. Edited April 15, 2022 by Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted April 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2022 Thanks. Great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/15/2022 at 3:50 PM, Eric said: I started listening to jazz in the early 1980s. Received a fantastic education on the classics from a college music professor. As for then current releases, relied on a great college record store staff. They directed me all over the place without regard to "bucket" i.e. Chick Corea and Muhal Richard Abrams simply both played keyboards. As for the stuff we are talking about, I read heard all about Wynton Marsalis and also knew of the current guys in the Blakey band. I saw an iteration circa 1984 or so with Blanchard/Harrison . Over the next few years, I generally came to the belief this music was stilted and moved toward more adventurous folks. Nevertheless, a bunch of neo-bop/young lion lps/CDs ended up in my collection. Listening to some of them over the past few months, a few opinions: Ralph Peterson - Blue Note LPs - very solid, exciting, both he and his soloists Geri Allen - same Kenny Kirkland - that album on GRP, while not fully a lost classic, is very nice as is most of his playing elsewhere Brandford Marsalis - there is a ton of it out there, both as a leader and sideman, holds my attention, although hard to cite a favorite or classic Wynton Marsalis - what is that dude up to? generally very boring, Black Codes and the Blues Alley date are exceptions. Who buys this stuff? Terence Blanchard - solo - generally good stuff, some good records that moved away from the neo-bop thing, more of his own sound Harper Brothers - actually saw them live, very spirited, but similar reaction to DMP on a CD Stephen Scott - a favorite back then and I stiff enjoy those Verve CDs Mulgrew Miller - very much enjoy the Landmark/Novus band LPs Kenny Garrett - hit or miss, own more than I enjoy Bennie Wallace - did not care for at the time, glad I kept them, like 'em now Chico Freeman - particularly his Musician/Contemporary LPs, loved them then, love them now Marcus Printup - really dug the Blue Note LPs, still enjoy today Joshua Redman - got zero traction with him Vincent Herring - liked the Landmark CD with Nat Adderley, but hard to engage beyond that Roy Hargrove - from the moment he jumped off a Bobby Watson LP, always loved his sound/style Leaving many folks out, but definitely some winners above. Your assessment is on the money. I’ve never been all that enamored with Redman or Garrett, particularly as composers. I have a lot of their early recordings and rarely play them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 Has Rodney Kendrick come up yet? I thought he was getting a thing happening there for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted April 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 I do sometimes wonder how the 1980s generation would be seen had the Young Lions marketing campaign not happened. I wonder whether it damaged e.g. Terence Blanchard in the longer term to be associated with the Marsalis hype machine. On a totally different note: I've recently been exploring the later period Wynton Marsalis records: the larger and more 'ambitious' group works like Blood on the Fields and Citi Movement. I'm not sure what I was expecting, but I'm pretty surprised at how poor they are. They're like something a promising 16 year old would write. Whether you like his 1980s stuff or not, he seems to have utterly failed to deliver in the longer term. Even his role as a contraversialist seems to have been taken by Payton recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) I have really enjoyed Marcus Printup's SteepleChase recordings in recent years. Aside from working as a sideman, Stephen Scott seems to have vanished from recording as a leader since the late 1990s. It's a mystery to me, as I enjoyed his recordings. The tendency of both Wynton and Delfeayo to write overly long suites with narration make my eyes glaze over. Narration can work sometimes in shorter pieces, but heavy doses of it makes me toss the release into the "listen to later" or "discard" piles. Edited April 18, 2022 by Ken Dryden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted April 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 I was listening to Scott this morning off the back of the above post and really enjoying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 59 minutes ago, Ken Dryden said: I have really enjoyed Marcus Printup's SteepleChase recordings in recent years. Aside from working as a sideman, Stephen Scott seems to have vanished from recording as a leader since the late 1990s. It's a mystery to me, as I enjoyed his recordings. The tendency of both Wynton and Delfeayo to write overly long suites with narration make my eyes glaze over. Narration can work sometimes in shorter pieces, but heavy doses of it makes me toss the release into the "listen to later" or "discard" piles. Ken - any recommendations on the Printup Steeplechase lps? I have wondered the same thing about Scott - seems like often those guys end up as educators - have not checked his bio lately. Of Sonny Rollins though he was OK 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 What happened to Cindy Blackman ? She was a fantastic drummer and had that thing, that powerful drumming I like most. She was also with Jackie McLean. I somewhere read that she married Santano, and since that time I didn´t hear anymore from her at least in the genre of music I know..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Gheorghe said: What happened to Cindy Blackman ? She was a fantastic drummer and had that thing, that powerful drumming I like most. She was also with Jackie McLean. I somewhere read that she married Santano, and since that time I didn´t hear anymore from her at least in the genre of music I know..... Indeed, most of her more recent discography is with Santana... she's on a 2014 Rodney Kendrick album that might qualify as "the genre of music you know" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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