Dub Modal Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 9:25 AM, Peter Friedman said: Joe Henderson or Wayne Shorter (as Players not Composers) Shorter 13 hours ago, HutchFan said: Airto Moreira or Dom Um Romão? Moreira 11 hours ago, Larry Kart said: Carl Perkins or Bobby Timmons Timmons 5 hours ago, BillF said: Kenny Drew or Sonny Clark? Only a few of these choices have been easy, and this isn't one of them. Going with Kenny Drew. Studio Mingus albums or Live Mingus albums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: Studio Mingus albums or Live Mingus albums? Depends on the band. Plush Toys or Lush Life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HutchFan Posted August 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 8:39 AM, Dub Modal said: Bobby Hutcherson or Walt Dickerson? On 8/25/2021 at 8:53 AM, JSngry said: Dickerson Whhhaaaaaattttt?!?!?!?! Joe Henderson on Blue Note or Joe Henderson on Milestone? 38 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: Studio Mingus albums or Live Mingus albums? Studio. Since most of my favorite Mingus records are studio: - Pithecanthropus Erectus - Blues and Roots - Oh Yeah - Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus - Mingus Dynasty - Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus - Let My Children Hear Music - Changes I & Changes II The downside: No Antibes and nothing from the '64 tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 Curly or Shemp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kukyukuwai Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 18 minutes ago, HutchFan said: Joe Henderson on Blue Note or Joe Henderson on Milestone? Joe Henderson on Milestone. Blue Note (from late thirties to early sixties) or Impulse (from mid sixties on)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HutchFan Posted August 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Kukyukuwai said: Blue Note (from late thirties to early sixties) or Impulse (from mid sixties on)? Impulse. For Coltrane and all the rest. Sonny Rollins on RCA or Sonny Rollins on Blue Note? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Larry Kart said: Jimmy Noone or Irving Fazola Flip Phillips or Georgie Auld Marian McPartland or Bill Charlap Flip Phillips Bill Charlap Edited August 26, 2021 by Peter Friedman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 Have we done Miles Davis' First Quintet or Miles Davis' Second Quintet yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HutchFan Posted August 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 Just now, Rabshakeh said: Have we done Miles Davis' First Quintet or Miles Davis' Second Quintet yet? Don't think so. I'll take Wayne, Herbie, Ron & Tony. E.S.P. and Miles Smiles? or Sorcerer and Nefertiti? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Dub Modal said: 7 minutes ago, HutchFan said: Don't think so. I'll take Wayne, Herbie, Ron & Tony. E.S.P. and Miles Smiles? or Sorcerer and Nefertiti? I prefer the first quintet with Trane, Red, Paul, Philly Joe From earlier; I prefer Carl Perkins Sonny Clark Rollins on Blue Note Joe Henderson on Blue Note Studio Mingus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Dub Modal said: Studio Mingus albums or Live Mingus albums? Studio Mingus Dameron or Silver as composers? Edited August 26, 2021 by BillF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, HutchFan said: E..S.P. and Miles Smiles? or Sorcerer and Nefertiti? Nefertiti easy victor. Two similar albums, one better. E.S.P v. Miles Smiles is harder, as E.S.P is quite different, and still has its link to the past. I listen to ESP more, so that one. Push Push or Mister Magic, judged solely on cover art? 42 minutes ago, BillF said: Dameron or Silver as composers? Dameron, but narrowly. I think his compositions have more room for interpretation, whereas Silver's always remind you of who did them first. Edited August 26, 2021 by Rabshakeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HutchFan Posted August 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rabshakeh said: Nefertiti easy victor. Two similar albums, one better. E.S.P v. Miles Smiles is harder, as E.S.P is quite different, and still has its link to the past. I listen to ESP more, so that one. I meant for them to be chosen as a pair; that is, expressed (sort of) algebraically: (E.S.P. + Miles Smiles) OR (Sorcerer + Nefertiti) Push Push has greater (unintentional?) comic value. So I'll go with that one. Edited August 26, 2021 by HutchFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 I like Timmons, but Perkins had a unique soulful approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 2 hours ago, BillF said: Dameron or Silver as composers? Horace Silver 3 hours ago, Rabshakeh said: Have we done Miles Davis' First Quintet or Miles Davis' Second Quintet yet? Davis/Coltrane/Garland/Chambers/Jones. Henry Threadgill or Roscoe Mitchell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 Davis First Quintet Frankie Dunlop or Ben Riley in the Monk Quartet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, BillF said: Frankie Dunlop or Ben Riley in the Monk Quartet? Dunlop, although Riley gives a better showing live than studio. Old Socks New Shoes or New Socks Old Shoes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 Just now, JSngry said: Dunlop, although Riley gives a better showing live than studio. It was seeing them live that won me over to Dunlop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 2 hours ago, BillF said: It was seeing them live that won me over to Dunlop. Dunlop is my preference with Monk But Ben Riley with Kenny Barron for a number of years was, in my view, outstanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 Timmons Silver 2nd Quintet Smiles + Nefertiti Dunlop Roscoe Stones or Yardbirds? (all good, some better) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 3 hours ago, JSngry said: Dunlop, although Riley gives a better showing live than studio. Old Socks New Shoes or New Socks Old Shoes? I quote this not be a troll, but because John is John, and I pretty much agree with him. From a 1964 John Litweiler review of "Criss Cross" (Columbia): "Frankie Dunlop is certainly the major liability in this quartet. He is an exceptionally facile drummer, but it is amazing how a drummer can be so insensitive to Monk's playing. He has learned all the tricks from Roach, Blakey, Philly Joe, Elvin Jones, Baby Dodds, Joe Podunk and the rest of the gang, and he feels compelled to use every trick in his voluminous bag on every song he plays. It seems that way, anyway; good intentions do not a drummer make. John Ore is an asset to the group, in spite of his unwillingness to solo (he has an appealing habit of playing his solo choruses entirely in double stops); since he plays slightly on top of the beat, he keeps show-off Dunlop from dragging the tempo." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, Larry Kart said: I quote this not be a troll, but because John is John, and I pretty much agree with him. From a 1964 John Litweiler review of "Criss Cross" (Columbia): "Frankie Dunlop is certainly the major liability in this quartet. He is an exceptionally facile drummer, but it is amazing how a drummer can be so insensitive to Monk's playing. He has learned all the tricks from Roach, Blakey, Philly Joe, Elvin Jones, Baby Dodds, Joe Podunk and the rest of the gang, and he feels compelled to use every trick in his voluminous bag on every song he plays. It seems that way, anyway; good intentions do not a drummer make. John Ore is an asset to the group, in spite of his unwillingness to solo (he has an appealing habit of playing his solo choruses entirely in double stops); since he plays slightly on top of the beat, he keeps show-off Dunlop from dragging the tempo." Not unlike my feelings about Dunlop. Might be a Chicago thing. I suppose it is too much to hope for discovery of the first few takes from the Monk's Music date when Wilbur Campbell filled in for the tardy Art Blakey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 Yeah, I'm aware of the anti-Dunlop contingent. All I can say about that is, hey, nobody's right about everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 21 hours ago, BillF said: Dameron or Silver as composers? Lean Silver but I could sway the other way easily... 22 hours ago, HutchFan said: E.S.P. and Miles Smiles? or Sorcerer and Nefertiti? Miles Smiles is one of my favorite albums ever, the proverbial desert island choice. So ESP/MS it is. Even though the SGQ did no wrong in my eyes. 18 hours ago, kh1958 said: Henry Threadgill or Roscoe Mitchell? Roscoe 17 hours ago, BillF said: Frankie Dunlop or Ben Riley in the Monk Quartet? Riley 22 hours ago, Rabshakeh said: Have we done Miles Davis' First Quintet or Miles Davis' Second Quintet yet? As stated above, Quintet the 2nd for me. 15 hours ago, danasgoodstuff said: Stones or Yardbirds? Nyet on both. Bob Cranshaw or Rufus Reid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: Bob Cranshaw or Rufus Reid? Rufus Reid Charlie Patton or Blind Lemon Jefferson? Edited August 27, 2021 by kh1958 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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