Mingus Three expanded

felser · March 24, 2022

Rhino is coming out with an expanded 2-CD set of the Mingus trio album with Hampton Hawes. 8 bonus cuts, six are alternate takes, and two are blues improvisations. At $22, I will probably pass, as I find the original album to be routine rather than special ('Money Jungle' with Ellington is special).

T.D. · March 24, 2022

I noticed the release a few days ago on DG's "Coming Soon" page and likewise decided to pass.

JSngry · March 24, 2022

Not a priority for me.

jlhoots · March 24, 2022

I like the original album -BUT don't need this expanded set.

JSngry · March 24, 2022

I'm like, ok, the assumption is that the best takes were released, right? And to me, those tracks do not encourage me to be curious about what else might have happened that day.

Willing to be wrong about that, but right now, not a priority.

clifford_thornton · March 24, 2022

unless there's more Sonny Clark on it... I'll pass.

bertrand · March 25, 2022

I am friends on Facebook with the person who found the tapes. There was nothing in the logs indicating Sonny Clark was involved at all, so he is not getting credit.

Supposedly Hampton Hawes in his book mentions Sonny Clark playing the ending for one tune. Do we know which piece and has anyone confirmed it?

Edited March 25, 2022 by bertrand

mhatta · March 25, 2022

I have not read Hampton Hawes' autobiography, but from memory I think somebody said it was supposed to be the end of I Can't Get Started. It was certainly an out-of-tune ending to hear, and it would not be surprising if Sonny Clark, who was supposed to be a spectator, played it. But it wouldn't be strange if Hawes came back from the bathroom after running "errands" and rushed to play it. Is there any conversation audio recorded in the studio?

BTW, I really like Mingus Three -- while many of the songs are mediocre, I think "Dizzy Moods" is a small masterpiece. Hamp really "blows" melancholically.

T.D. · March 25, 2022

1 hour ago, bertrand said:

I am friends on Facebook with the person who found the tapes. There was nothing in the logs indicating Sonny Clark was involved at all, so he is not getting credit.

Supposedly Hampton Hawes in his book mentions Sonny Clark playing the ending for one tune. Do we know which piece and has anyone confirmed it?

Book doesn't say which tune.

"...Sonny came to the studio with me, and though he isn't listed under personnel he played the ending on one of the tracks because I was back in the bathroom fixing again.. We got paid after the gig - Charles gave Sonny five dollars for his two chords - and you know we went straight to Harlem and got blind that night..."

mikeweil · March 25, 2022

It's not Hampton Hawes' best playing, as we was pretty much strung out and Mingus gave him a break, but it's interesting to have a documents of a whole session. I'd like to hear all tracks in session order.

Milestones · March 26, 2022

How do musicians play music when they're strung out half the time? Just asking?

JSngry · March 26, 2022

High and impaired are not really the same thing, although they quite often exist at the same time, if not always to the same extent, one to the other.

Besides, half the time is just that - half the time.

T.D. · March 26, 2022

It's complicated. I remember Kenny Barron, in notes to the People Time recording, discussing an incident with Stan Getz. Some time in the 1984-1986 period,

...The next day, Stan called. He was very apologetic, and explained that he ended the recording session so abruptly because he felt embarrassed about the way he was playing. He also explained that he felt a little intimidated because this was the first recording he had ever done, or attempted to do, while sober...

[Other interesting material omitted for brevity]

mikeweil · March 26, 2022

This reminds me of a sentence my first conga drum teacher, Tom Nicholas, said: once a record is out, you gotta live with that thing. So true.

Edited March 26, 2022 by mikeweil

Milestones · March 26, 2022

I am not a musician, but surely music depends on reflexes and timing--and you'd think these would be f---ed up by using various substances.

Yet most types of music (jazz, rock, pop, rap) have had, at various times, the strong presence of drugs.

jazzbo · March 26, 2022

Sometimes the drugs(including drink) free up mental energy and blocks from anxiety and other plagues and aid the player, and can even ease muscle motion. Not always, and not for everyone. But that can be an allure--especially if it has happened before.

Milestones · March 26, 2022

I can see a possible mental/emotional advantage, but you'd think the physical effects would be detrimental.

JSngry · March 26, 2022

Muscle memory built up over years of intense practicing is not easily destroyed.

mikeweil · March 26, 2022

There are many other professions occupied by chronic drug users. In Germany it seems that most bricklayers cannot build in a straight line without their daily dose of beer.

3 hours ago, jazzbo said:

Sometimes the drugs(including drink) free up mental energy and blocks from anxiety and other plagues and aid the player, and can even ease muscle motion. Not always, and not for everyone. But that can be an allure--especially if it has happened before.

I have played with several guys who were not able to relax and play with some confidence without at least a bottle of beer. Remember the many accounts of bottles passed around for recordings sessions. A friend reported of a drummer giving a clinic in his store after downing a bottle of rum!

3 hours ago, Milestones said:

I can see a possible mental/emotional advantage, but you'd think the physical effects would be detrimental.

In the long run, definitely. Charlie Parker was reported to have said "I never play better than when I am stone sober".

BillF · March 26, 2022

58 minutes ago, mikeweil said:

I have played with several guys who were not able to relax and play with some confidence without at least a bottle of beer. Remember the many accounts of bottles passed around for recordings sessions.

IIRC Coltrane can be heard asking, "Where's the beer opener?" at the end of a take on the Davis session(s) that produced Workin', Relaxin' etc.

JSngry · March 26, 2022

Bottom line for the civilian listener - if nobody told you, would you know just by listening to the record?

T.D. · March 26, 2022

I've attended concerts where the headliner was so obviously drunk that performance was degraded.

jazzbo · March 27, 2022

14 minutes ago, T.D. said:

I've attended concerts where the headliner was so obviously drunk that performance was degraded.

Yes. Freddie Hubbard ruined the only time I got to see Herbie, Wayne, Ron and Tony--he arrived late, very drunk, got irate at an audience member during the first number he participated in and walked off. The show ended with 35 minutes of playing time. Sigh.

medjuck · April 29, 2022

Does anyone know how this record came about? And on Jubilee? I looked in a Mingus bio but it didn't say much about it.

For what it's worth I find the added material more interesting than the first cd.

GA Russell · April 29, 2022

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CELEBRATE MINGUS' CENTENNIAL BIRTHDAY TODAY

REFRESH YOUR JAZZ PLAYLIST WITH

MINGUS THREE

DELUXE EDITION OUT NOW

INCLUDING JAZZ STANDARDS "YESTERDAY," "I CAN'T GET STARTED" AND "LAURA"

TWO MINGUS ORIGINALS "BACK HOME BLUES"

AND "DIZZY MOODS"

Rhino / Parlophone Celebrate Jazz Month And Honor The Icon’s Legacy With A New Deluxe Edition Of His 1957 Album, Mingus Three, Featuring Eight Recently Discovered Unreleased Session

2CD, 2LP, And Digital Versions Are Available Today, On His Birthday

“I look forward to the day when we can transcend labels like jazz and acknowledge Charles Mingus as the major American composer that he is.” – Guggenheim Foundation

“For sheer melodic and rhythmic and structural originality, his compositions may equal anything written in Western music in the 20^th century.” – The New Yorker

“Mingus was something else, man. A pure genius, I loved him.” – Miles Davis

LOS ANGELES – Rhino / Parlophone is celebrating Jazz Appreciation Month with one of the most influential figures in 20^th-century American music, Charles Mingus, who would have turned 100 today, April 22. This year, Mingus’ legacy is in the spotlight with the release of the deluxe edition of his album, Mingus Three, for his centenary as a virtuoso bass player, an accomplished pianist, bandleader, and composer.

Rhino/Parlophone salutes Mingus with an updated version of his 1957 trio recording with pianist Hampton Hawes and drummer Dannie Richmond. The seven original tracks have been expanded for the upcoming release, with eight previously unreleased session recordings discovered by chance recently in the London Parlophone vaults. The bonus tracks include different takes for all but one album track (“Laura”), plus two blues originals.

MINGUS THREE: DELUXE EDITION is available today, April 22 – Mingus’ birthday – as a 180-gram double-LP set ($34.98) and as a double-CD set ($24.98). The music is also available on digital and streaming services today.

The music comes in a replica of the original record sleeve issued by Jubilee Records and a booklet featuring photos from the era. The set also includes new liner notes written by jazz arranger and pianist Sy Johnson, who collaborated with Mingus in the 1970s and helped arrange his 1972 album, Let My Children Hear Music.

He writes: “The Mingus Three session was booked for July 9, 1957. Mingus and Hawes brought their histories to the studio: Mingus with a long, powerful record of activism, outrage, and political attack anchored in serious music-making, and Hawes’ fanfare of jazz awards and huge success—and he could play!! The date would ultimately become a dialogue between Mingus and Hawes with punctuation from Richmond.”

Mingus recorded the session in a day with Hawes, a childhood friend who’d been in bands with Charlie Parker and Dexter Gordon, and drummer Dannie Richmond, whose association with the bassist lasted over two decades. Mingus Three included four standards (“Yesterdays,” “I Can’t Get Started,” “Summertime,” and “Laura”), two Mingus originals (“Back Home Blues” and “Dizzy Moods”), and a group jam “Hamp’s New Blues.”

The bonus material provides a fresh glimpse into the principal players and offers alternate – not lesser – versions of album tracks, including swinging takes of “Summertime” and “Hamp’s New Blues.”

Mingus’s music continues to reach new audiences through artists like Mingus Big Band (directed by his widow Sue Mingus), Kamasi Washington, Chrissie Hynde (whose latest album includes a Mingus cover), Candace Springs, Elvis Costello, Gang Starr (who samples him), and Joni Mitchell (who wrote lyrics to his music). His musical legacy is still ongoing and will continue to play an essential role in music history for many generations to come.

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Charles Mingus

Yesterdays (feat. Hampton Hawes & Danny Richmond) [2022 Remaster]