tooter
May 29 2004, 11:19 AM
I like the sound of the bass clarinet and there are many examples of it's effective use in jazz of course. One of my favourites is [Blues Bag] by Buddy de Franco and Art Blakey. I heard Buddy interviewed on the radio once, quite a few years ago, saying that he thought it was his best recording (to date, of course - perhaps he made some he liked better later) and yet some people looked askance when he said this. The album contains lots of interest IMHO, one is the presence of Freddie Hill on one track. Also Lee Morgan, Curtis Fuller and Victor Feldman. but it's the bass clarinet sound that sets the tone and makes the album special.
Another example, the memory of which stays with me somehow, is David Murray playing "Elegy for Fanny Lou" - some sound - on [Ballads for the bass clarinet]. I don't know the other tracks - just heard it on the radio some years ago.
Any other interesting cases to cite?
7/4
May 29 2004, 11:41 AM
Eric Dolphy!
Brandon Burke
May 29 2004, 12:06 PM
Bass clarinet is one of my "axes", as it were. Sadly, I've been busy with school and live in an apartment with thin walls do I'm long out of practice.
street singer
May 29 2004, 12:27 PM
| QUOTE (7/4 @ May 29 2004, 11:41 AM) |
| Eric Dolphy! |
Eric Dolphy, indeed. Hearing him on Coltrane's Village Vanguard recordings was my introduction to the instrument (as well as Dolphy himself). I love the sound he gets out of that thing... Nothing else quite like it. Have you heard his solo rendition of "God Bless The Child"?
Stunning...
7/4
May 29 2004, 12:35 PM
| QUOTE (street singer @ May 29 2004, 01:27 PM) |
| QUOTE (7/4 @ May 29 2004, 11:41 AM) | | Eric Dolphy! |
Eric Dolphy, indeed. Hearing him on Coltrane's Village Vanguard recordings was my introduction to the instrument (as well as Dolphy himself). I love the sound he gets out of that thing... Nothing else quite like it. Have you heard his solo rendition of "God Bless The Child"?
Stunning...
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Yes. And yes to Dolphy on the VV box (Naima!).
White Lightning
May 29 2004, 12:38 PM
Harry Carney played some great Bass Clarinet from the mid 50s.
White Lightning
May 29 2004, 12:41 PM
...and Bennie Maupin's Bass Clarinet was very importan to Miles' Bitches Brew.
garthsj
May 29 2004, 12:44 PM
| QUOTE (tooter @ May 29 2004, 11:19 AM) |
| I like the sound of the bass clarinet and there are many examples of it's effective use in jazz of course. One of my favourites is [Blues Bag] by Buddy de Franco and Art Blakey. I heard Buddy interviewed on the radio once, quite a few years ago, saying that he thought it was his best recording (to date, of course - perhaps he made some he liked better later) and yet some people looked askance when he said this. The album contains lots of interest IMHO, one is the presence of Freddie Hill on one track. Also Lee Morgan, Curtis Fuller and Victor Feldman. but it's the bass clarinet sound that sets the tone and makes the album special. |
Tooter ... I have talked to Buddy about this recording in the past, and the story has been written up several times. He was persuaded by Leonard Feather to try the bass clarinet for this particular recording session with Blakey; made this one great album, and then never recorded on the instrument again. He jokes that it was too much of a hassle to carry around, and that his fans did not expect him to play that instrument. There have been many attempts to get him to pick it up again, but apparently he doesn't even own one. (I am sure that the Yamaha instruments people would have no qualms about giving him their best instrument).
I am also hoping that this session will be reissued in a remastered edition sometime soon.
BruceH
May 29 2004, 12:55 PM
Too bad. I love that album. Love the bass clarinet, too.
couw
May 29 2004, 01:08 PM
Alastair Graham's take on Dolphy & his bcl
B. Goren.
May 29 2004, 01:14 PM
| QUOTE (7/4 @ May 29 2004, 06:41 PM) |
| Eric Dolphy! |
Eric Dolphy played the bass clarinet on most of the sessions he recorded for Prestige (as a leader and as a sideman).
tooter
May 29 2004, 02:07 PM
| QUOTE (garthsj @ May 29 2004, 12:44 PM) |
Tooter ... I have talked to Buddy about this recording in the past, and the story has been written up several times. He was persuaded by Leonard Feather to try the bass clarinet for this particular recording session with Blakey; made this one great album, and then never recorded on the instrument again. He jokes that it was too much of a hassle to carry around, and that his fans did not expect him to play that instrument. There have been many attempts to get him to pick it up again, but apparently he doesn't even own one. (I am sure that the Yamaha instruments people would have no qualms about giving him their best instrument).
I am also hoping that this session will be reissued in a remastered edition sometime soon. |
I suppose that if you are used to only carrying an ordinary clarinet the bass item would seem heavy. Thanks for the story, Garth - it's kind of refreshing to hear that he sticks to his guns - he decides he's done enough on the instrument and that's it.
Eric Dolphy predominates here naturally, but it's good to hear of the other practitioners. Bennie Maupin I knew of, but I didn't know Harry Carney was a member of the club, WL.
Some others spring to mind too. Harbie Mann, Marty Erlich, Eddie Daniels, Gary Smulyan and quite a few more. I have a recording of a Don Grolnick British concert with Marty playing some bcl in there.
Beautiful adornment to the thread, Couw - you always come up with something!
couw
May 29 2004, 02:14 PM
of more recent vintage:
Carlos Actis Dato
Louis Sclavis
both were featured on recent BFT disks.
(sorry not to write much more here, I seem to have a bout of RSI...)
brownie
May 29 2004, 02:29 PM
Michel Portal is also damn good on bass clarinet.
But, of course, no one has made better use of the instrument than Eric Dolphy!
garthsj
May 29 2004, 02:47 PM
Eric Dolphy is, of course, the modern master, but there is one very interesting Tony Scott album where he plays lots of bass clarinet... This album has thankfully been reissued as I wore out my original Bethlehem vinyl. The album is part of the Avenue Jazz Bethlehem reissue series, and is "Milt Hinton: East Coast Jazz #5" and Tony is listed, for contractual reasons, I presume, under his real name, A.J. SCIACCA. Dick Katz on piano, and Osie Johnson on drums round out this lovely little quartet album.. highly recommended.
Also, Joe Temperley plays great bass clarinet, as well as being one of the best baritone sax players around today...
mikeweil
May 29 2004, 04:22 PM
I didn't know that story about Blues Bag ... I think this is the one bass clarinet album I would take to the desert island, even before Dolphy.
I love that instrument, much more than the higher sibling.
Bennie Maupin is great on it, Marty Ehrlich, Bob Mintzer and many other play some great stuff on it. I will have to get me that Milt Hinton CD ...
Another favorite of mine:

One of the most relaxed swinging albums I have. Mann (as well as Jack Nimitz) also plays some bass clarinet on this:
king ubu
May 29 2004, 05:52 PM
Some good calls, already, and not much to add.
Scott's indeed very good on that Milt Hinton disc, Garth! It is actually the Tony Scott quartet performing under the name of Hinton, only, if I remember right.
Carney can be heard on bcl on one tune of his with strings date (which was reissued on Ben Webster's "Music for Loving", a 2CD set compiling Webster's with strings dates and some).
Quite a fan of Portal and Sclavis, too. Both together is even better!
Then, I think Dolphy is da man on bass clarinet, for me. His solo recordings of "God Bless the Child" are really something else!
On the "East Coast Jazz Series / 6", a date by Urbie Green, Al Cohn (as "Ike Horowitz") can be heard playing some good bass clarinet.
How about Coltrane? There's some on that rare "Cosmic Music" date.
Donald Garrett, the bassist and bass clarinetist playing in the later Coltrane bands (on the Seattle concert, for instance), has somehow never really gotten much love from me, he almost seems pedestrian, at times.
ubu
P.L.M
May 29 2004, 07:15 PM
Who doesn't play bass clarinet this days?
Some favorites:
- Rudi Mahall
- Carlos Actis Dato
- Hans koch
- André Jaume
- Denis Collin
- Jacques Foschia
- Joe Giardullo
- Vinny Golia
- Avram Fefer
- Michael Moore
- Don Byron
- John Purcell
- Michael Marcus
- Marty Ehrlich
- Michel Portal
- Louis Sclavis
edit: corrections. Thanks N.D.
7/4
May 29 2004, 07:23 PM
Anthony Braxton? I have to check my collection...
sal
May 29 2004, 08:57 PM
David Murray is a great bass clarinet player.
Nate Dorward
May 29 2004, 10:38 PM
| QUOTE (P.L.M @ May 29 2004, 07:15 PM) |
Who doesn't play bass clarinet this days?
Some favorites:
- Rudy Mahall - Marty Ehrlicht |
It's Rudi & Ehrlich. Yes they're both excellent musicians. I've been listening a lot to Mahall's work on Geoff Goodman's Naked Eye (Tutu), one of the past year's best releases. He's also excellent on Alex von Schlippenbach's Broomriding, another good one from the past year.
Newk
May 29 2004, 10:44 PM
Check out David Murray's "Ballads for Bass Clarinet".
tooter
May 30 2004, 08:31 AM

This one [East Coast Jazz Vol 6] also has "Ike Horowitz" (alias Al Cohn) playing bass clarinet as well as other instruments, and the album is known as [The Lyrical Language of Urbie Green] too. I had no idea of the alias - thanks for the info.
Eddie Daniels plays bass clarinet on [A Flower for All Seasons] too - duet date with Bucky Pizzarelli.
king ubu
May 30 2004, 12:22 PM
| QUOTE (tooter @ May 30 2004, 03:31 PM) |

This one [East Coast Jazz Vol 6] also has "Ike Horowitz" (alias Al Cohn) playing bass clarinet as well as other instruments, and the album is known as [The Lyrical Language of Urbie Green] too. I had no idea of the alias - thanks for the info.
Eddie Daniels plays bass clarinet on [A Flower for All Seasons] too - duet date with Bucky Pizzarelli. |
The one you pictured is the one I meant. The liner notes of the Rhino/Avenue reissue (latest nineties) refer to the alias and state that it's actually Al Cohn.
ubu
jazzbo
May 30 2004, 02:19 PM
Carney's my favorite!
Murray may be among my favorites of the living. . . .
Shawn
May 30 2004, 04:35 PM
Thanks for the mention of Michel Portal...and KILLER player!
Have to agree with Lon on his choice....chitlins con CARNEY!
JohnS
May 31 2004, 03:28 PM
| QUOTE (sal @ May 30 2004, 01:57 AM) |
| David Murray is a great bass clarinet player. |
David Murray is THE bass clarinet player.
jazzclinic
Jun 7 2004, 11:42 PM
Check out Adam Kolker on Bruce Barth's <I>East & West</I> and Kolker's other stuff.
Chris Potter plays some great bcl.
Gary Smulyan is also a badass on bcl.
Obviously gotta give props to David Murray.
When I heard the Northwoods Improvisers in March, a veteran Detroit player named Mike Carey played some amazing bass clarinet- very fleet, bluesy, and often oblique. He was part of a three-horn section that also included Faruq Z. Bey and Skeeter Shelton.
Bev Stapleton
Jun 8 2004, 12:00 PM
John Surman (though I don't think he plays it much these days).
Gianluigi Trovesi
chris olivarez
Jun 8 2004, 08:55 PM
Love the instrument.
Bright Moments
Aug 21 2005, 09:52 AM
QUOTE(mikeweil @ May 29 2004, 04:22 PM)
I didn't know that story about Blues Bag ... I think this is the one bass clarinet album I would take to the desert island, even before Dolphy.
I love that instrument, much more than the higher sibling.
Bennie Maupin is great on it, Marty Ehrlich, Bob Mintzer and many other play some great stuff on it. I will have to get me that Milt Hinton CD ...
Another favorite of mine:

One of the most relaxed swinging albums I have. Mann (as well as Jack Nimitz) also plays some bass clarinet on this:

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i really enjoyed great ideas of western man and will look for sultry seranade.
anybody know of any other mann recordings where he played bass clarinet?
mikeweil
Aug 21 2005, 10:08 AM
There are a few bass clarinet tracks spread over his three Verve LPs recorded between the Riversides and the Atlantics. A good cross section is the Verve Jazz Masters 56 dedicated to Mann. The one live album of the three (Flautista, which has one with bcl) was reissued with two bonus tracks in the Verve By Request series - be aware it is a Latin Jazz album.
IIRC he abandoned the instrument when he started recording for Atlantic, and only took up the tenor for one LP in the mid-1960's.
Guy
Aug 21 2005, 12:37 PM
My favorites are Eric Dolphy, and Bennie Maupin (primarily on Bitches Brew). With Eric there are so many phenomenal examples, but I think his solo on "Hat and Beard" is my favorite.
Guy
Cali
Aug 21 2005, 02:41 PM
Eric's solo on "Aggression" from the Five Spot recordings.
marcello
Aug 21 2005, 05:31 PM
Tim Garland plays it quite often and beatifuly.
Tim GarlandCheck out his work here:

....and also his Storms/Nocturnes Trio with Geoff Keezer & Joe Locke

Very rewarding music.
GregK
Aug 21 2005, 05:52 PM
Anthony Braxton on contrabass clarinet is particularly spectacular! It just sounds so meaty!
Tom in RI
Aug 22 2005, 02:03 PM
Marty Krystall takes some bass clarinet solos on Buell Niedlinger's Big Day at Ojai that I have enjoyed quite a bit.
Bev Stapleton
Aug 22 2005, 03:28 PM
QUOTE(marcello @ Aug 21 2005, 10:31 PM)
Tim Garland plays it quite often and beatifuly.
Tim GarlandCheck out his work here:

....and also his Storms/Nocturnes Trio with Geoff Keezer & Joe Locke

Very rewarding music.
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Yes, I heard him with Bill Bruford's Earthworks a year or so back playing lovely bc. I saw him a couple of weeks back at the Appleby Festival - I can't recall him playing bc there.
This new disc of Garland's has some gorgeous bc:

Another UK player who regularly features bc is Julian Siegel - both on his own solo record and as a member of the band 'Partisans'.
clifford_thornton
Aug 22 2005, 04:24 PM
QUOTE(Tom in RI @ Aug 22 2005, 02:03 PM)
Marty Krystall takes some bass clarinet solos on Buell Niedlinger's Big Day at Ojai that I have enjoyed quite a bit.
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Krystall is great - and wholly underrated, in my opinion. That is a cool record - Neidlinger has some very interesting arranging ideas, to say the least.
In addition to those already mentioned, Giuseppi Logan was a wild bass clarinetist, as heard on Roswell Rudd's
Everywhere and his own composition "Shebar" (
More Giuseppi Logan, ESP). Frank Wright takes some heavy solos on bass clarinet in his duos with Muhammad Ali,
Adieu Little Man.
Breuker was already mentioned, but I'l mention him again, as well as Theo Loevendie.
nathan
Aug 22 2005, 04:57 PM
I love the bass clarinet so much my own group has 2 bass clarinetists in it! After Dolphy, my favorite is Ben Goldberg, based in the Bay Area. A true master. You can hear his playing on a number of outstanding -- if, in some cases, hard to find -- albums under his own name, with the New Klezmer Trio, the cooperative group Junk Genius, and with composer/bandleader Graham Connah. They're all good.
A couple i would recommend to start with:
- New Klezmer Trio's Melt Zonk Rewire -- easy to find, on John Zorn's Tzadik label, and just a masterpiece, in my opinion. Amazing bass & Bb clarinet playing, and great originals. With Kenny Wollesen & Dan Seamans.
- Light at the Crossroads, co-lead with Marty Ehrlich (mentioned often above), on which both Ben & Ehrlich play bass & Bb clarinets. That would be a good one to check out, and a good starting place. Very accessible and gorgeous. Featuring the always astounding Kenny Wollesen/Trevor Dunn rhythm section.
nathan
Kalo
Aug 23 2005, 01:04 AM
I'm always happy when that ol' bass clarinet makes an appearance.
Dolphy's the man, of course.
I Like David Murray's way with the instrument, too.
Ballads for Bass Clarinet is a favorite among his records.
I love DeFranco/Blakey
Blues Bag. Pity he didn't pursue the instrument. I like his playing on the orthodox clarinet, but it can get a bit tinny...
I just saw Don Byron in Boston and he unleashed the bass cl to good effect.
Louis Sclavis, Gianluigi Trovesi...
Finnish born, New York bred Paul Austerlitz is an old cohort of our own Allen Lowe. He's on some of Allen's records and has his own:
A Bass Clarinet in Santo Domingo and Detroit(X Dot 25), where he dabbles in Dominican music (Gonzalo Rubalcaba guests), as well as essaying Waller's "Jitterbug Waltz" and Ellington's "Sophisticated Lady."
Which reminds me that Harry Carney was a master of the instrument, too, as he demonstrates on the same tune as rendered on
Masterpieces by Ellington(Columbia/Legacy).
Kalo
Aug 23 2005, 01:10 AM
QUOTE(nathan @ Aug 22 2005, 04:57 PM)
I love the bass clarinet so much my own group has 2 bass clarinetists in it! After Dolphy, my favorite is Ben Goldberg, based in the Bay Area. A true master. You can hear his playing on a number of outstanding -- if, in some cases, hard to find -- albums under his own name, with the New Klezmer Trio, the cooperative group Junk Genius, and with composer/bandleader Graham Connah. They're all good.
A couple i would recommend to start with:
- New Klezmer Trio's Melt Zonk Rewire -- easy to find, on John Zorn's Tzadik label, and just a masterpiece, in my opinion. Amazing bass & Bb clarinet playing, and great originals. With Kenny Wollesen & Dan Seamans.
- Light at the Crossroads, co-lead with Marty Ehrlich (mentioned often above), on which both Ben & Ehrlich play bass & Bb clarinets. That would be a good one to check out, and a good starting place. Very accessible and gorgeous. Featuring the always astounding Kenny Wollesen/Trevor Dunn rhythm section.
nathan
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TWO bass clarinets!
Having just one in my band would be a fantasy fulfilled.
I'm becoming more and more interested in klezmer. We've got some great bands in Boston.
I'll try to check out you recommendations. I need to hear more Erlich -- and I dig Wollesen
Bev Stapleton
Aug 23 2005, 03:03 AM
David Murray and Louis Sclavis did a marvellous two bass clarinet duo concert at the Bath Festival a few years back.
Alexander Hawkins
Aug 23 2005, 05:13 AM
I don't know much Murray. I think the first I heard of him was on Kahil El'Zabar's 'Of Love and Dreams', and I was a bit equivocal about his slap-tonguing in particular. However, yesterday, I was listening to 'Clarinet Summit' (India Navigation) and there is an astonishing solo feature for Murray (it's a really nice album all round, in fact).
mikeweil
Aug 23 2005, 05:37 AM
I'm on a buying sabbatical, but couldn't resist ordering the Ehrlich/Goldberg disc for $ 10 .....
nathan
Aug 23 2005, 10:48 AM
$10...damn...that's great! I hope you dig it. It's a beautiful piece of work...the mournful take of Dark Sestina is worth $10 alone! Great tune (recorded by Ehrlich w/ Muhal Richard Abrams and probably elsewhere) and amazing playing.
Kalo, yeah, 2 bass clarinets is a lot of fun...incredible range! Immensely fun to compose for. Definitely my favorite instrument...if only I played it! Must be compensating.
Speaking of multiple bass clarinets, one of my band mates, Cornelius Boots, leads a bass clarinet QUARTET, if you can believe it! Not so much a jazz group, but amazing. (They refer to themselves as "Heavy Chamber Music".) They're called "Edmund Welles", and they're playing at Zorn's new club the Stone in NYC this Friday, if anyone out in NYC needs some bass clarinet. They're recent recipients of a Chamber Music America’s New Works: Creation and Presentation Grant, and they're playing an epic & extraordinary new work by Cornelius. The other players are Aaron Novik, Scott Hill, and Sheldon Brown. Highly recommended.
nathan
Upright Bill
Aug 23 2005, 12:39 PM
Marcus Miller
I've been fascinated with bass carinet for a while now and thought about buying one, but I don't know where to find a teacher or even how to start.
Bill
Kalo
Aug 23 2005, 11:22 PM
Not exactly sure what I want to say here, except...
I LOVE BASS CLARINET!
l p
Aug 25 2005, 12:25 PM
chico freeman plays a decent bass clarinet.
pharoah sanders sometimes plays an instrument that looks like a short soprano sax (or a clarinet? hard to tell), but it sounds like a bass clarinet.
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