The 69 artwork looks great. Oops--shouldn't this be a p.m.?

in hindsight i would NEVER EVER EVER buy another IPOD again. One of those other MP3 players MUST have better software. This thing CONSTANTLY frustrates me, between losing about 10 percent of my songs, in addition to the lack of ability to transfer songs FROM the Ipod TO your computer.

Plus, if you hold off enough time, you should be able to get a MP3 player that will play FLAC or SHN files ! That'd be so SWEET!! Can you imagine 120 gigs of DEAD FLACs ?

To each their own!

Listening to the "Sunshine Daydream" date, August 27, 1972. Of course it's nice to see it, but nice to hear it too!

How long since y'all played that bonus disc from The Grateful Dead Movie? Whew-eeeeeeee, I've got mine on with subtitles. It's been too long, but then again I guess it's aged just right too. It's so warm, especially after some gray days. And here I thought if I was going to be doing any Dead I'd be heading to Sept. '72, but this feels right too!

edit - And check out those subtitles too, especially for "Sugaree." They hyphen where needed, such as kno-ow me, sha-ake it, and so on.

Does it say "when they bring that way-gun 'round"?

That's "Ray gun." Remember, Jerry was a sci-fi fan.

Bet he read this one! It was one of the first science fiction books I read, and this is one mind-boggingly contemporaneous one if you ask me!

No, No., NO! It's

now watching

6/29/1989 Shoreline Ampitheater, Mountain View, CA

What a killer 2 DVD set ! Wow I love internet downloads.

I've been listening to some "Good Lovin'"s from 1972. Of course, there's those Pigpen raps which I always enjoy, and some pretty good singing too, relatively speaking.

I like the places they take that song that year! Some nice explorations and it's really nice to have Keith putting down a nice piano foundation.

The Good Lovin from 4-14 Copenhagen is one of the best things the band ever did. First, it is the pinnacle of Pig's testifyin' raps--way beyond the usual pony riding into a whole 'nother realm of stream of consciousness. He throws everything he's got into the mix. A huge dose of raw sexuality underscored with a thin line of pathos. But it's Keith who leads here, moving the jam into different places, allowing Ron plenty of new lines to rap over. And then, just as Pig gives that last yell while the band rips away from his rap, bam!--Caution. And then, just as Caution starts to blister under Keith and Jerry's dual engines, bam! again into Who Do You Love, back to Caution, and back to the Good Lovin' reprise. Whew.

This tape first made the rounds in 1973 as a very hissy, sped up soundboard that I used to play over and over. I always thought of it as Pig's grand finale before his death a year later.

And now we have the crispiest of soundboards on the revamped Europe '72.

One of the best, indeed. All the rest of those Good Lovin's seem like rehersals in comparison.

BTW, Dwork does an excellent transcription of Pig's rap in Vol. 1 of the Taper's Compendium.

Alright! Something to look forward to when I get to that year in the Compendium!

Be sure to play it while you read it. On many of the G.L's from Europe 72, the thematics are very similar, just as the dollah and a quarter story was worked up in Spring of 1971. But, this time out it's all improvised--oh, sure, there's a four day creep, but where he goes with it--his lament about cheating women and outrunning the law and sampling some cherry pie--well, this was the one.

Right, I'll listen to it at the same time, certainly. I listened to part of an audience downlad of that night, and it was a darned good show!

I might add that for you uncircumsized Philistines who do not revere the Pig as a true avatar, the musical portion of the show is brilliant. It features some of the best seat of the pants breakneck jamming since 1970.

What is the speculation regarding Rhino's first project? I learned today that it will definitely not be the '73 Winterland box. I'm hoping for an uncirculated Evening With... from '70 with the early acoustic and late sets. I'm certain they don't make enough on these releases to license and include guest (e.g. NRPS) interludes, too bad.

Also, can anybody recommend a good Phil Lesh and Friends set w/ Derek Trucks? Thanks, Dan

Just curious: what is your source? I agree; I'd rather have, say, the complete May 15 1970 show or an equivalent.

I might be alone in this . . .but. . . in going through a lot of 1972 shows I'm really becoming fonder and fonder of "Jack Straw." When both Jerry and Bob are working hard on it vocally, and especially when they do the tempo a bit on the slower side, it's quite a song. Love the "B" section.

i like 1977 jack straws.

Yes, they are good too.

They were "fresh" in 1972 though. . . I like everything in 1972 better than everything in 1977 I must admit that bias!

Both styles are righteous. The younger version has such sweet harmonies and a great intro; but the later versions have them power chords before the last verse that punctuate the final "JACK STRAW from Wichitaw." Makes you want to jump up. In short, a great Weir--Hunter tune. Too bad they didn't get along. Probably my favorite Bobby tune--other than "Walk in the Sunshine."

David Gans has indicated on a recent blog entry that the Winterland set will not be Rhino's first release. Any wild guesses? Any wishes?

I'd love to see a huge set from Europe 72. Obviously, a lot of it has been released, either in truncated form (the British Box) or shortened from (Hundred Year Hall) or even complete. BUT there are the two Paris concerts, Luxembourg, Copenhagen and others. Since Rhino has so far produced two major boxes--the early stuff on Warner's and the later stuff--it would not be out of the question to see them do something special with the remaining tapes. OR might it be the infamous 8-27 Creamery benefit with the DVD? Or?

www.shnflac.net

looks like a replacement for the archives. Lots of bit torrents and shns of the sbds that were up on etree, especially a lot of 1972-73---including a very clean copy of 8-27-72. Seems someone has been industrious.
You know anything about the new hosts Chalupa?

Damn, just when I thought I'd kicked the downloading habit.

great. thanks for directing my attention again to that site. As if I don't have enough shows already.

I take it you need a password for that site.

Just sign up and get your user id.

They are trying to get the thing going by year--working on 1973 now.

muchas gracias.

just got back from a three day downloading marathon. That site is SWEET! Plus I've been swimming in grateful dead DVDS lately.

Of course, Like Dimeadozen,
it all depends on what is currently being seeded by various members. If you go back every few days, different shows will suddenly pop up. Just be sure to realize that they probably have an enforced upload to download ratio.

Swiped a few myself. And I swore I was going to behave.

Great thread. I've spent some time here catching up.

I was a Dead fan in the 1970s and saw a lot of shows, mostly at Winterland. My last show was the closing of Winterland. I always lamented the fact that none of the records came close to documenting what they delivered in concert (with the partial exception of Live Dead, which captured them in a different period). I had a few tapes of concerts in poor sound.

I have been exploring the vault and Dick's Picks series during the last month. Wow! What a wealth of riches! My Dead juices have started flowing again.

Yesterday, Dick's Picks 14 (from 1973) just totally kicked my ass, especially the last few discs. Jerry caught absolute fire and played a straight hour of music like a man possessed. Thank God this stuff was preserved in such great sound. Thank you, Deadheads and archivists!

John, I finally have all the Dick's Picks AND Downloads from the years I'm interested in (from the beginning til when Brent walked in and changed stuff imo). Just an amazing series of recordings. We're so lucky that the Dead were archiving themselves, let alone all the great fan recordings.

Anyone wanting to warm up for the new David Crosby remaster will find a great live version of "Cowboy Movie," "Triad," and five other tunes including a KILLER "Deep Ellem Blue" by David with Jerry, Phil and Mickey here:

http://www.gdlive.com/xtras/Crosby-Garcia-...-Lesh-12.15.70/

David and the Dorks at the Matrix, I assume? Yes, nice stuff.

Don't know if this got posted or not, but for all you mp3 folks,

http://www.speedingarrow.net

is another source. It has almost all of 1972--all of the Europe stuff. If you are listening on ipods, walkmans, computer speakers and/or if you are older than 45, or just don't care, these files (all taken from the archive) may be the thing for you. I'm downloading the Lille, France show to check it out.

Cd cover: http://www.gdcdcovers.com There are some very nice covers and some that are functional.

Go, Lon, go!!!!! (I know this is your cover site of choice!!)

Right, the Matrix thing. .. I hate to call it "David and the Dorks"!

Thanks for the heads up on the speedingarrow. And yeah, that's a good cover site, but this one is a really cool resource:

http://www.gdcdcovers.com/annex.html

Lon: I assume that you are referring to the official Download series that is available at the Grateful Dead Store. Right? What is the sound quality like on that series?

John

One note: it is http://www.speedingarrow.net/zephyr/ or http://www.speedingarrow.net/zephyr/mp3.

The simple .net will get you a green page and nothing more. Playing the Lille--sounds great to me.

Yeah, that's what I meant. I have downloaded these using the iTunes files, which are not any of the three types available on the Dead Store, but those probably sound as good and the FLAC better. Really excellent sound, and reallly excellent shows (all the ones I've bought which are all those through 1977).

Bill, yeah, I got the green screen then did a google search and found the right link. Just finished patching holes in 1966~!

John:

The sound quality of the gd downloads is rather good considering the age of the masters. The argument continues as to the relative quality of mp3, shn, flac. If you are into the best available sound, spring for the FLAC files. But for ipod or computer type listening, the mp3 is still fine.

Lon: I am truly sorry that you found the right link. There goes your week.

That Zephyr site looks impressive. I tried downloading a few shows, but there is something about their MP3 format that causes my computer to have fits. It takes it more than a minute just to copy a 10,000 kb MP3 file from one directory to another. I haven't tried loading them into iTunes yet, but I am afraid that there might be an explosion or two.

First, he has to d/l the Monday Michiru show that's up on the Dime right now.

I would if I could! I'm not a dime member and I can only really download MP3s with the setup I have now.

Bill, there goes my MONTH! But then again, that's a good thing. I can download and prepare art for a half a dozen shows a day here in the hospital room, and then prepare the backup cd, cut the artwork and assemble at night in the hotel room. It's keeping me out of trouble.

I'm reading about the Dead too. I'm DREAMING about the Dead.

John, with the internet connections I'm using it takes me on average about 30 minutes to download about an hour. . . .I've had no trouble loading them into iTunes at all though. So go ahead!

Thanks, Lon. I think that I have it figured out now.

Hospital room?? Hotel room? Did I miss something. I hope everything is ok.....

I've been in Houston for most of the time since April caretaking my wife through lymphoma treatment at M. D. Anderson Cancer Research Center. May finally be at the end of her treatment and going home in about a month. . . .

News from Rhino spotted in Relix by way of the Steve Hoffman Forum:

"The new issue of Relix features an interview with Rhino execs Greg Goldman and Jimmy Edwards on the future of the Grateful Dead vault. While short on specific plans, they did mention that early '07 would see the see the release of an "historic" 3 disc New Years Eve set from The Grateful Dead's backyard.

They plan on issuing future shows in a timely manner but want to be careful not to tax Deadheads' wallets with too many simultaneous releases.

Goldman said "I think you'll continue to see a series of two-track and vault releases, a steady series coming from the band" as well as videos and box sets, Goldman said, lined with bonus tracks and schwag from the vault.

They have not yet decided to continue with the "Dick's Picks" title...."whatever they may be called- and they may be called Dick's Picks still - they will still be the same type of content...fans shouldn't worry about that drying up on them."

The Grateful Dead's recorded legacy is stored in the label's football field sized archive facility in Burbank in three bays lined with shelves 18 feet high and 50 feet deep. "They're living very nicely down there" said Goldman. "We've even constructed a little chain-link fence on the aisle to make it very clear that this is a special area, and you can't just walk in and browse among the Grateful Dead tapes".

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NYE eh? The "from (their own) backyard" bit doesn't really narrow it down. '78 has been released. No NYE show in '73 though some of the boys played with the Allman Brothers. Wonder what it will be? Unless it's '70 or earlier I doubt I'll be interested as the NYE shows that I have I never considered to be among the better ones of the year.

The '72 NYE from Winterland is pretty nice, from what I recall of the radio broadcast tape. I would assert the '81 NYE at the Oakland Aud was one of the best shows in many many years. Really hot playing, gives a strong case that the Dead were as good as ever on the really blazing nights.

I also remember a New Years Eve show at the Cow Palace. Santana led off. It was probably 76 or 77. I can't recall the quality of the show very well. I was REALLY smashed.

Cow Palace was 1976--a decent show at that.

There are 22 possibilities! But there are only so many shows that run into 3 disc space, and that are classic. 1966 unavailable. 1967 no show. 1968, too short. 1969 is decent, 1970 is sloppy.1971--opening with Dancing in the Streets, The Same Thing, the whole show a culmination of that great Fall 1971 vibe--with Keith newly in the band? Classic Other One and NFA--Going Down the Road---NFA sequence? Show only available as an FM source? Or 1972? Classic jamming, though set one is a tad lackluster. 1973-4-5 don't exist. 1976, 77 relatively short and uneventful, 1978 already released.

Must confess I haven't heard 1981
Hmm 1982 with Etta James? After that? The yawns deepen.

Oh--and 1987 is already on video.

Do we get a vote?

1971.

Yes, I have the '72 on cdr lying around somewhere. A nice l-o-n-g TOO followed by Morning Dew, IIRC.