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  1. Archie Shepp

    I don't believe it was. Most of what is on that site has not been released and is not even on the "circuit". But the discographical details vs. this commercial release are clear.
  2. Ornette

    Many thanks for this. It's at least a start. Which was what I was thinking when I started this thread. David Wild did a good job through the 70's but it seems no one has tackled it on that level since. KH1958's description of the Caravan of Dreams and the material that might derive just from there (and then) suggest that there are whole worlds of Ornette that have yet to be properly documented.
  3. The Jazz Icons Series 2 box has all three of the videos from the Spring 1964 tour: Oslo, April 12 Stockholm, April 13 (rehearsal) Leige, April 19 The Oslo set is on a Shanachie VHS (ha!) commercial issue. I mention it because it includes a little more of the introductory stage chatter than the JI dvd. Mingus jokingly threatens to sue the house because he slipped slightly as he entered the stage area. The JI single dvd from the series...Charles Minugs / Live In '64...can be had by itself. I just saw three copies on Discogs.
  4. Archie Shepp

    "Recorded live on March, 23rd 1974, Grand Auditorium Studio 104 - Maison de la Radio. Excerpts from the full performance." Indeed. If you check the Archie Shepp Unissued Live Recordings site for 1974 you will see ten tracks for the March 23, 1974 concert totaling just under 2 1/2 hours. The new issue contains three tracks and the issued version of "Things Have Got to Change" (24:29) is significantly shorter than either versions listed on the site (40:55 and 33:38). Quite apart from any vinyl vs. digital issues, this doesn't seem right to me. Just sayin...
  5. FWIW I am very much in agreement that Sonny's death was met with what almost amounts to indifference.  I haven't even seen a proper obituary.  Inexplicable.

    I am also very much interested in your Sonny Simmons discography.  If the offer is still open I believe you can attach the file to a response to this message.

    Many thanks.

    Ed Rhodes

  6. Ornette

    This is insightful and helpful. Many thanks.
  7. Ornette

    There's a Frank Wright date from 1972 and a Sunny Murray date from 1973 that purport to be from Artists House.
  8. Ornette

    Thank you for this. I'll compare it with the lists I have. Without checking this seems like a bit more than what I could account for. Is it your sense that his output diminished in the 80's and later? I mean...there are 11 items documented for 1965 alone, 6 for 1966, 2-4 for every year after that up to 1971, 14 in 1971 and 5 each in '72 and '73. Is there nothing like that for the later years? Yeah... I've seen some third party sets are supposed to originate from there. But is anyone on this the way that Wild was on the earlier stuff? Do you know of anyone who is trying to sort it out?
  9. Ornette

    Just curious about what people are using these days as a discographical reference for Ornette Coleman. I have the old David Wild discography which is good through the end of the 70's, though David has told me that he has newer information that he hasn't gotten around to publishing. I also have the Litweiler book but the discography after 1979 is pretty threadbare. I'm showing 11 entries for the entire 80's and 1 London date in August 1991. Nothing after that. Plus Litweiler doesn't really do unissued material that is known to exist. has 9 entries after the August '91 date that take you through 2005. But I'm on record that this site is at the very least unreliable, though I use it as a starting point if I have nothing else. I don't find the J-Disc site to be very useful as I have some of the same criticisms that have been recently leveled at Lord in the "Monetizing" thread. And I don't subscribe to Lord.though I take note that the print version stops at 1987. Thoughts...and questions... Is Ornette's discography really that light after the 70's or is it just that no one has really covered it? Who, if anyone, is covering it? Has anyone attempted to sort out the discographical details on the '65 material that has circulated since Wild such as Bremen or Berlin and the seeming conflict with some of the Stockholm dates? Is there no unissued material from the 80's and 90's? Stuff like that... Any thoughts, ruminations, leads, references would be welcome.
  10. Unheard Miles and Coltrane.

    Buddy Montgomery's time with Davis is documented on pages 186-189 or the Coltrane Reference. There were apparently gigs in Chicago, Los Angeles, Oakland and San Francisco just prior to the Spring 196- European tour that folks are familiar with. There are references to the possibility of a tape from the March 4, 1960 San Francisco Civic Auditorium gig on pages 189 and 575. This is being discussed on the Wynton Kelly/Cecil Payne thread where Medjuck reported that he captured the Clyp audio . I got it too. Easy enough to record with Audacity. It's a needle drop with a fair amount of surface noise but the tenor solo on "So What" is as long or longer than anything from the tour. OTOH, Wynton Kelly's piano solo was either missed or cut out from "So What" and the second piece is severely truncated. outstanding find.
  11. Wynton Kelly & Cecil Payne Live

    Probably March 4, 1960, San Francisco Civic Auditorium.
  12. Mose Davis is alive and well and living in Atlanta, GA

    In the early 1970's, before the word "disco" became associated with TSOP, the hustle and leisure suits, there was a dance club scene in New York that heavily featured records from bands like Mandrill, War, Mother Night, Cymande, BT Express...and the Counts. "What's Up Front That Counts" got a fair amount play in those clubs. You would hear "Rhythm Changes" in the mix but the title cut was the kind of thing that got played later in the night for the hard core crowd when things got heated up. Props to Mose. Glad he's still around. If you communicate with him again, tell him that some of his constituents from back in the day are still alive and kickin', too.
  13. Past Daily Music Archive

    The link to the full jazz archive is here. My problem with Past Daily is that the archive is not in any kind of order, alphabetical or whatever. You can run searches on it or page through it. I've done the latter and it takes awhile...the pages come up slowly. The search function on the site is...clunky. The Rollins-Roach-Merrit Stockholm 1966 date I mentioned in another thread is on this site. I considered that to be a real find. I've not seen that date anywhere else. There's also an interesting date by the Blue Notes from 1964 at Rondebosch Town Hall in SA. The Blakey San Remo date is on youtube. There are, I believe, several versions including at least one with a lengthy introduction (in Italian) by the mc. The Booker Ervin date is out there on the circuit. No need to settle for iffy MP3's. Past Daily is not what I would call a go-to site but it's worth the occasional perusal if you have the time and the inclination and you've run out of other options for whatever you're looking for.
  14. Jazz Oracle

    10... The two alternates are part of the 35. 3/25/25 Piron's New Orleans Orchestra Red Man Blues Do Just as I Say 3/7/27 Louis Dumaine's Jazzola Eight Pretty Audrey To-Wa-Bac-A-Wa Franklin Street Blues Red Onion Drag 11/15/29 Jones-Collins Astoria Hot eight Astoria Stomp Duet stomp Hot Weather Tip Easy Blues All 35 tracks are in the JSP box set "Breaking Out of New Orleans 1922-1929
  15. Sonny Rollins and Max Roach

    I was wondering whether or not someone would reference the "Cotton Club" or the "Town Casino" or the "Continental Restaurant" in this thread. February 1956, Town Casino, Buffalo, NY 1) Introduction :52 2) Daahoud 6:36 3) Announcement and interview w/ Max Roach 1:09 4) Round Midnight 8:14 5) Announcement :38 6) Blues Walk 7:12 7) Closing announcement :50 Early 1956, Chicago 1st set 1) Untitled Blues (incomplete) 14:08 2nd set 2) More Than You Know (featuring Sonny Rollins) 3:50 3) Embraceable You (featuring Clifford Brown) 3:18 4) I’ll Remember April (fragment) 14:52 5) Wee Dot (fragment) 8:44 3rd Set 6) 52nd Street Theme 6:05 7) I’ll See You In My Dreams 4:54 8) These Foolish Things (featuring George Morrow) 3:17 1956, unknown location 1) I'll Remember April 18:47 2) What's New 3:50 3) Daahoud 10:20 4) Lover Man 6:32 5) 52nd Street Theme 6:18 April 28, 1956, New York, Basin Street 1) Waltz Hot 7:43 2) I Feel a Song Comin' on 5:17 May 16, 1956, New York, Basin Street (Willie Jones substitutes for Max Roach) 1) What's New 3:16 2) Daahoud 5:22 3) Sweet Clifford 5:37 May 28 – June 3, 1956, Cleveland, OH, Cotton Club 1st set 1) Introduction by Clifford Brown 1:29 2) Take the A Train 13:39 3) Introduction by Max Roach 0:39 4) Darn That Dream (featuring Sonny Rollins) 3:55 5) Intermission announcement by Clifford Brown 0:35 6) Nice Work If You Can Get It (incomplete) 18:51 2nd set 7) Jordu 17:26 3rd set 8) Introduction by Max Roach :44 9) Get Happy (incomplete) 22:21 10) Valse Hot (fragment) 3:43 June 18, 1956, Continental Restaurant, Norfolk, VA 1st set 1) Introduction 1:07 2) Just One Of Those Things 20:02 3) You Go To My Head 8:52 4) Good Bait (incomplete) 15:23 2nd set 1) One For My Baby and One More For the Road 4:07 (featuring Richie Powell) 2) Someone To Watch Over Me (featuring Sonny Rollins) 4:04 3) Announcement :51 4) What’s New (featuring Clifford Brown) 4:04 5) Announcement by Max Roach :38 6) These Foolish Things (featuring George Morrow) 3:38 December 10, 1956, New York, Café Bohemia (Kenny Dorham replaces Clifford Brown) 1) Valse Hot 5:50 2) I Get A Kick Out of You 16:06 December 15, 1956, New York, Café Bohemia (Kenny Dorham replaces Clifford Brown) 1) I Feel A Song Coming On 10:10 2) Daahoud (incomplete) 2:35 This is not a strict, chronological discographical listing because, for instance, the material listed from the Cotton Club did not come to me labeled as "sets". This is just the way it was grouped and this was the simplest way to list it here. Same thing with the "Early Chicago 1956" material. The Continental Restaurant material, OTOH, is two legitimate sets. The broader point is that all of this material, excepting the last two sets with Kenny Dorham, was issued on Philology in the "Brownie's Eyes" series and it has been subsequently re-booted on a variety of labels including RLR. I compiled it for my own listening years ago and I got 5-6 cd's out of it. Note that the "1956 unknown location" set is the Elektra/Pure Genius material. I think the Philology boot was after the Elektra issue. Also, the second of the Basin Street dates does not feature Max Roach. Willie Jone was the substitute. Both dates were issued on Ingo as lp's and then re-booted on cd...I believe on RLR again. But to the question at the beginning of this post, there' actually quite a bit of Sonny and Max on record. And don't forget Freedom Suite.