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Reminds me how sick KIrk is. That dude was in his own town. Another talk another time; here, Mingus is ridiculous, even at this stage. But back on task, Seventies Mingus , in my opinion, was good right up to the end, and all of those records are worth hearing; Atlantic, I don't know how they thought giving either Zep or Mingus stage front, because things were not making sense then: rock or jazz (rock), but Mingus recorded for them up to 77... (Zepp's "Best of" album, "The Song Remains the Same" kept the juggernaut full speed until John Bonham straitened his shit out ( which was short-lived) was affordable or (cash money)) was a good run for Atlantic, but after IV, Presence, what did Atlantic have to offer? Just thinking out loud.
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11 hours ago, clifford_thornton said:
^ same.
The pre-ESP stuff, on Savoy, GNP, Mercury, and Debut, is also quite fine. Actually had that GNP on last night and it holds up quite well. I think the Savoy is where he really started stretching his legs, at least on record.
Yup, the Savoy is dope.
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See all this as pertinent points why I have issues: movie + Jim Morrison/Hendrix catastrophe speak/watching, makes for interesting viewing. I don't think its fair, cuz Chet's life was tough enough to read about, let alone watch, and I'm in the camp that Chet was truly an original genius and painful to read/see/watch how he died (not to unlike Parker) so the movie didn't strike me as genuine, nor Mile's (another discussion obviously not here to be discussed) but yeah, in a way, its cool Chet is even discussed, portrayed on film even, but it doesn't do him any service how great he really was/is.
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6 minutes ago, danasgoodstuff said:
Well, there is this, which I've never heard:
Jackie McLean Sextet
Woody Shaw, trumpet; Jackie McLean, alto sax; Tyrone Washington, tenor sax; Bobby Hutcherson, vibes; Scott Holt, bass; Norman Connors, drums.
Plaza Sound Studios, NYC, July 5, 19683054 In Case You Haven't Heard Blue Note rejected 3055 Hymn To Rap - 3056 One For Jeru - 3057 Kupenda - 3058 Abrasion - WANTA HEAR.
On 3/25/2018 at 5:57 AM, Rooster_Ties said:Infinity is my very favorite Lee/Jackie pairing on record (of many).
Heck, Etcetera may be my very favorite Wayne leader date, in terms of the playing and personnel, and it sat in the vaults almost 10 years too.
Yeah, in both cases; what great Lee and Wayne came our way.
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2 hours ago, Brad said:
HG, I just re-read my post. Hope it didn’t come across as confrontational. Maybe I should have said that I don’t want to hear something if it’s not good quality as I don’t want my view of an artist like Lee Morgsn lowered as a result.
Brad, not at all. You're fine. I guess I'm asking for it, hoping that there's another Lee or Hank or a Jackie hidden date somewhere. The Conny series gave this kind of hope that there's more and what a great unheard series that was,I guess I got more hopeful, hoping there was more, and occasionally there is.
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On 3/25/2018 at 10:49 AM, Brad said:
Does that mean anything that was so poor in quality should be released just because "we" want to hear it?
I'd say no.
Brad,
You're right, I shouldn't have presumed "everyone" wants to hear what's still in the vaults, I'll rephrase it: "I" want to hear everything that's still in the vaults.
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Dam. His work with Cecil still sticks with me, can still here him playing in my head.
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On 3/6/2006 at 8:23 PM, JSngry said:
This is my favorite Hank album bar none. If I was forced at gunpoint to go through life with only one Mobley recorded appearance, this would be it. Period. Five like-minded souls living and breathing as one w/o a hint of "recording" going on.
Favorite song? "The Breakthrough". That's about as perfect as this shit gets, including the ending, how the last note is just a hard little "bop" that cuts off immediately with just a touch of reverb to carry it over. My hunch is that there might have been something that happened after that note that necessitated such an abrupt cutoff, but who knows?
Don't have the RVG, don't want the RVG, I don't think. Managed to get a pre-Liberty LP new back in the 70s and have treated it with TLC ever since. Got the McMaster for portability purposes a while back, and it's served well in that capacity. Don't want to hear this one any differently than I have been hearing it all these years. Thanks, but.....no.
Dippin' is the real deal.
Yup. And I'm a Mobley nut for many reasons but this record signifies why Hanks' the best: this right here.
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Paul Bley is sick. From ESP to ECM, I've never grown tired of him.
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Yeah, Ethan Hawke is cute and all, but this movie (like Miles') has too many issues. One, did Chet have a black girlfriend? Not that I care, but facts are facts. Two, the story actually if they followed Chet's real story, would've been far more interesting, like Art's or Gerry's, come on now!
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At this point, ANYTHING, that gets released from the "vaults" is worth hearing, cuz we want to hear it.
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In my opinion, I have the record, but its not my go-to Mingus by any stretch; recommend the Candid's, Bethlehem's, Early Atlantic's, Impulses' ,the Columbia's. Guess is, why start to turn on your friend to Mingus with this record? And I don't want to say that 70's Mingus is not worth hearing; some of my favs are tucked in there like the Changes albums, but start your friend on the route to the classics; don't drop him off and think he'll figure it out, if you get my drift.
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I think I only heard one chirp for the excellent Expectations; make it two: get it if you don't have it already.
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22 hours ago, The Magnificent Goldberg said:
Welcome Holy Ghost!!!
Do you mean that, as I did and do, you avoided getting Jackie McLean records or that you think he dominates his albums.
MG
MG,
On the contrary, I see Jackie's name anywhere on a BN record, whether as a sideman or his own, generates a level of excitement, meaning that he's there, get the record. Hard to explain I guess, but ordinary records by other leaders with Jackie Mac lifted to good, great, sometimes extraordinary records, if that makes sense.
He carries that aura about him that gets things exciting anywhere in the BN era, for me at least,
On the other hand, yes, he can dominate a leader date that's not his own and make it his date, and I don't think that's what his intentions were, for example Jack Wilson's Easterly Winds, in effect was a JMac record ( my opinion, of course).
Addendum: Those "ordinary" records are usually pretty sharp anyways, I buy them because I like them with or without JMac, so I didn't mean to imply that they're shabby because JMac isn't there; however, Jackie sometimes makes those records even appear more exciting just by seeing his name on the jacket; he always brought something to the table that made things more intense, uneasy, unpredictable: Leeway for example, a good record, but Jackie made it a must have Lee date for me, not because of Lee (who I adore) but the edginess that Jackie delivers; or even in organ combos, like Open House/Plain Talk (which which turned me on to J Smith) can exemplify his dominance on a situation. Free, straight ahead, in between all that, he was the go-to guy.
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Agree With Chewy
Exception, at least when I saw his name as leader or sideman, Jackie.
Otherwise, and if any of these other great musicians have already been mentioned...
Victor Sproles
Ronnie Mathews
Sonny Greenwich
George Benson
Melvin Sparks
Charles Tollivor
Lamont Jackson
Karl Berger
Scott Holt
Hugh Walker
Harold Alexander
Marvin Cabell...
Can I recommend him Mingus´ "Three or Four Shades of Blues"?
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Posted · Edited by Holy Ghost
Not to combine talks, but 70's Mingus only makes sense if we rehearse earlier Mingus, which is essential, in my view: now hear me out; if you understand 70's Mingus understand it for two reasons, hell yeah and two, helllll yeah. But go back to the basics, start with where Mingus came from, its an amazing journey: from Parker, to Jackie, to Dolphy and Booker and Kirk...and most of all Duke, incredible!