soulpope Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 7 hours ago, Daniel A said: I think there's a lot more to Johansson than the somewhat sombre album of Swedish traditional songs that is the main reason he's still remembered in Sweden .... Agreed .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, Daniel A said: I think there's a lot more to Johansson than the somewhat sombre album of Swedish traditional songs that is the main reason he's still remembered in Sweden. He did work for orchestras and larger bands, wrote film music and so on. Whether that is ECM-ish or not I'll leave to others, but I didn't think so. I wasn't at all suggesting that Johansson's considerable output was in any way an influence on ECM as a whole or even ECM-ish. I was suggesting that I think that his piano trio and particularly that album you refer to is an influence on many subsequent ECM trios, especially European ones, as per the point made about Bley's 'Ballads' album to which I was responding Edited December 27, 2022 by mjazzg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted December 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, mjazzg said: I wasn't at all suggesting that Johansson's considerable output was in any way an influence on ECM as a whole or even ECM-ish. I was suggesting that I think that his piano trio and particularly that album you refer to is an influence on many subsequent ECM trios, especially European ones, as per the point made about Bley's 'Ballads' album to which I was responding I now realize that this is exactly the point you made from the beginning, so sorry for somehow distorting it into something else. But it made me seek out a Johansson recording I hadn't heard in years, so it had a positive side effect. 🙂 What might be a point in another discussion, though, is that the influential Johansson recording (towards ECM) was not as representative of his overall output back then. Edited December 27, 2022 by Daniel A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 25 minutes ago, Daniel A said: I now realize that this is exactly the point you made from the beginning, so sorry for somehow distorting it into something else. But it made me seek out a Johansson recording I hadn't heard in years, so it had a positive side effect. 🙂 What might be a point in another discussion, though, is that the influential Johansson recording (towards ECM) was not as representative of his overall output back then. Pleased it had a positive outcome 🙂. I would be interested to know more about more of his output. Another thread perhaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 Aside from the Fontana Blood, are there any other pre-1970 recordings deserving of reissue? I'm sure there are live tapes out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 The Radio Canada session for sure, never been on CD and has not seen a fresh pressing since the '70s. Don't know if the BYG Actuel session has been easily available recently, but it's a doozy too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Late said: Aside from the Fontana Blood, are there any other pre-1970 recordings deserving of reissue? I'm sure there are live tapes out there... It should all be out there! Touching, the ECMs and the ESPs are just about the only ones to be consistently available. I can't say what all would be possible, but a box containing at least the Savoy/IAI, Fontana/Polydor, and Limelight recordings should be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, clifford_thornton said: The Radio Canada session for sure, never been on CD and has not seen a fresh pressing since the '70s. Don't know if the BYG Actuel session has been easily available recently, but it's a doozy too. Yeah that Radio Canada is great. I always thought the BYG was a reissue, it's not? Edited December 28, 2022 by mjazzg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 Ramblin' was originally recorded for Italian RCA (à la Steve Lacy) but was not released by them; BYG did the first issue in 1969. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) Thanks. that's great news as it means I've a new 60s Bley to discover! edit: no I haven't, I have the later Red Record reissue of it titled "Ramblin' with Bley" Edited December 28, 2022 by mjazzg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmce Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 There may yet be more! I and others have made some attempts to untangle the very complicated threads here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 5 hours ago, mjazzg said: edit: no I haven't, I have the later Red Record reissue of it titled "Ramblin' with Bley" yeah, curious how they got their hands on it -- they didn't issue other BYG material to my knowledge. There's also an Affinity pressing from the 80s, which does make sense as they had access to the Charly/Actuel/BYG holdings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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