The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Yes, I have that album. Personally, I don't like Smith much. But Jaws and Shirl are fine. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street singer Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 (edited) Just a heads up... Ordered a couple of the out-of-print (and increasingly hard to find) Lockjaw discs from True Blue today: 'Smokin' and 'Jaws In Orbit'. Both of these go for ridiculous prices on the second hand market. Grab 'em quick if you want 'em and don't have 'em! Edited January 21, 2008 by street singer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Got Mildred Anderson's "Person to Person" upon MG's repeaded recommendations (which I found last week, doing a search here and elsewhere). Blasting out of my speakers right now... very good! Indeed some great playing by Lockjaw! And Anderson sounds good, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted March 24, 2023 Report Share Posted March 24, 2023 The Jug-A-Thon transformed into a Lock-A-Thon. This one is so well-recorded. Rudy got the bass level just right. The music in total is fabulous: Weird thought—sometimes Lock reminds me of Eric Dolphy. Not the interval leaps, but the smearing of certain phrases (Lock's "cork" moments?) that are notes/not notes at the same time. I actually think a Dolphy/Lock frontline pairing, at least for one album, would've worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Late said: The Jug-A-Thon transformed into a Lock-A-Thon. This one is so well-recorded. Rudy got the bass level just right. The music in total is fabulous: Weird thought—sometimes Lock reminds me of Eric Dolphy. Not the interval leaps, but the smearing of certain phrases (Lock's "cork" moments?) that are notes/not notes at the same time. I actually think a Dolphy/Lock frontline pairing, at least for one album, would've worked. That´s some interesting remark, really ! Eric Dolphy was the first alto saxophonist I ever heard, when I was in my early teens. And I loved him from first hearing. I mean I heard Dolphy before Bird, before Jackie McLean. I admired that musician so much that when my beard started to grow I let it grow like Dolphy had it. Looked terrible, but that´s how I was. And.....though a complete other style, I loved Jaws playing from the first moment. My first listening experience was the session where he plays in an allstar Birdland line up with Miles Davis. And shortly afterwards I saw Jaws life. though I don´t think there would have taken place a record with them both, I think the times was not ripe for that, but if Dolphy had lived longer, who knows....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 Oliver Nelson would have been the one to utilize them both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 As he (presumably) did on Lockjaw's Trane Whistle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted March 25, 2023 Report Share Posted March 25, 2023 Dolphy and Jaws with Mingus is what I want to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheorghe Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 13 hours ago, kh1958 said: Dolphy and Jaws with Mingus is what I want to hear. Me to, though I doubt it would have happened. I´m not sure if Jaws would have been open for it, but at least in the hard swinging passages of his long compositions Jaws would have been an interesting voice. Mingus was ....I could say so.....my center of jazz understanding. At an age, where I just had heard only one jazz record (I think it was Davis´ "Milestones" from the late 50´s" , Mingus with the 1964 touring band really was my "guide". It was '"Parkeriana" that led me to search Bop´n Bird, it was the Jakie Byard stride section that let me listen to Fats Waller and Art Tatum, and it was Dolphy´s outbursts, that led me to listen to Free Jazz....., so it was "everything" for me and a living memory when I finally saw Mingus live.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Gheorghe said: Me to, though I doubt it would have happened. I´m not sure if Jaws would have been open for it, but at least in the hard swinging passages of his long compositions Jaws would have been an interesting voice. Mingus was ....I could say so.....my center of jazz understanding. At an age, where I just had heard only one jazz record (I think it was Davis´ "Milestones" from the late 50´s" , Mingus with the 1964 touring band really was my "guide". It was '"Parkeriana" that led me to search Bop´n Bird, it was the Jakie Byard stride section that let me listen to Fats Waller and Art Tatum, and it was Dolphy´s outbursts, that led me to listen to Free Jazz....., so it was "everything" for me and a living memory when I finally saw Mingus live.... I am not so sure it would have been a matter of who would have been "open" for what only in the direction that you seem to hint at. There is an interesting account of a candid moment with Eric Dolphy and his avantgardism in the Norman Granz biography by Tad Hershorn (p. 311): "Granz related a conversation with Eric Dolphy, then on tour for him, when he heard the avant-garde saxophonist playing straight-ahead blues after hours at a nightclub with some of Gillespie's musicians. He asked Dolphy why he couldn't play like that on the tour. 'No, people say I have a reputation for being modern, so I have to play modern.' " Who knows ... maybe Dolphy would actually have enjoyed an occasional recording date in a more straight-ahead setting with the likes of Lockjaw Davis after all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Big Beat Steve said: I am not so sure it would have been a matter of who would have been "open" for what only in the direction that you seem to hint at. There is an interesting account of a candid moment with Eric Dolphy and his avantgardism in the Norman Granz biography by Tad Hershorn (p. 311): "Granz related a conversation with Eric Dolphy, then on tour for him, when he heard the avant-garde saxophonist playing straight-ahead blues after hours at a nightclub with some of Gillespie's musicians. He asked Dolphy why he couldn't play like that on the tour. 'No, people say I have a reputation for being modern, so I have to play modern.' " Who knows ... maybe Dolphy would actually have enjoyed an occasional recording date in a more straight-ahead setting with the likes of Lockjaw Davis after all? Well, of course he had one with Roy Eldridge: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 Dolphy touring for Granz? Details please!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Big Beat Steve said: I am not so sure it would have been a matter of who would have been "open" for what only in the direction that you seem to hint at. There is an interesting account of a candid moment with Eric Dolphy and his avantgardism in the Norman Granz biography by Tad Hershorn (p. 311): "Granz related a conversation with Eric Dolphy, then on tour for him, when he heard the avant-garde saxophonist playing straight-ahead blues after hours at a nightclub with some of Gillespie's musicians. He asked Dolphy why he couldn't play like that on the tour. 'No, people say I have a reputation for being modern, so I have to play modern.' " Who knows ... maybe Dolphy would actually have enjoyed an occasional recording date in a more straight-ahead setting with the likes of Lockjaw Davis after all? I have grave doubts that Dolphy, who I do believe was playing with those guys, really said that. It sounds too much like the kind of things that anti-modernists fantasize that avant gardists really say in private. Dolphy was too dedicated to what he was doing, IMHO, to act as though it was all a pose. 1 hour ago, JSngry said: Dolphy touring for Granz? Details please!!! I wonder if it was in his Chico Hamilton days. But I don't know if Hamilton worked for Granz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 2 hours ago, JSngry said: Dolphy touring for Granz? Details please!!! Granz booked some European tours for Coltrane - documented on Pablo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 Ah, that's right. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 46 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said: Granz booked some European tours for Coltrane - documented on Pablo. More precisely, november 1961 in this case. The Gillespie and Coltrane bands toured Scandinavia and shared the stage together for concerts in Denmark, Sweden and Finland. There seem to be recordings of a Coltrane concert in Copenhagen from that tour where the announcements by Norman Granz also were recorded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Big Beat Steve said: More precisely, november 1961 in this case. The Gillespie and Coltrane bands toured Scandinavia and shared the stage together for concerts in Denmark, Sweden and Finland. There seem to be recordings of a Coltrane concert in Copenhagen from that tour where the announcements by Norman Granz also were recorded. 11/20/61 has the announcement by Granz. I have it on this set: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 (edited) Yes, 20 November 1961 was the Copenhagen date during that Scandinavian tour. And, FWIW, re- earlier questions about the Granz/Dolphy hookup, these concerts actually WERE a JATP event. Below is the promo ad from the November, 1961 isue of ESTRAD, and further below is a page from the Stockholm concert coverage in the December, 1961 issue of ESTRAD. (Sorry for that OT ) Edited March 26, 2023 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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