Hardbopjazz Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 (edited) This clearly has to hurt. No offensive to this bullfighter, but sometimes the bull does win. This will go down on Wide World of Sports', "the agony of defeat." http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/05/22/news/photos_galleries/bullfight/cropped/SPAIN%20BULLFIGHTING_001195151--400x600.jpg http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/05/22/news/photos_galleries/bullfight/cropped/BULLFIGHTING-SPAIN-SAN-ISIDRO195149--500x380.jpg by the way, he did survive, the matador that is. The bull was put down. Edited May 28, 2010 by Jim Alfredson Images too graphic. Had to close the window quickly when I opened this thread with my 6 year old next to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 The specators looked bored to tears. I guess they are used to seeing a man get a bull's horn rammed down his throat every day. I think of bullfighting as a way of thinning the herd. Of stupid humans. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Good for the bull. It's a barbaric activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 I lived in Spain when I was a kid and saw a few but no gorings like that. It's not a sport but some kind of activity that's part of the culture, of what makes Spain a fascinating place. However, I think it's time for it to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 I lived in Spain when I was a kid and saw a few but no gorings like that. It's not a sport but some kind of activity that's part of the culture, of what makes Spain a fascinating place. However, I think it's time for it to go. Spain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 I did not need to see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 Holy crap, is that for real? Not a photoshop thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted May 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 No,it was in a NYC paper. I found it online afterwords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 I lived in Spain when I was a kid and saw a few but no gorings like that. It's not a sport but some kind of activity that's part of the culture, of what makes Spain a fascinating place. However, I think it's time for it to go. Spain? Yes, I lived in Barcelona and Madrid. Great cities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 I thought this was a Rutles appreciation thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swinging Swede Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 Good for the bull. You would think. But despite the fact that the bull won fair and square, they killed it afterwards anyway. How fair is that? Surely they should have let it live, since it won. There are videos of it at YouTube. The bullfighter was badly injured, but with his history as a professional animal torturer, I can't say I feel too sorry for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 I haven't seen the video but I would imagine that after he was gored, another toreador came in to finish the job. For those who may not know or care, if a fighter finishes off the bull quickly and well, you can be awarded one or both of the bull's ears and for an exceptional job, the tail as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 This happened toward the very end - he was supposed to administer the coup de grace momentarily when the poor beast made the lunge and hit his mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 (edited) My wife saw this on a news show & told me about it. I had no desire to see it. Usually I have a stronger stomach than she does, but not in this case. Edited May 29, 2010 by paul secor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 I watched the video the other day - it's pretty gross. Surprised his jaw or part of his head didn't go with the bull's horn. Bullfighting is pretty horrible, IMO, as is the Running of the Bulls - rather than reverence for a spirited animal, it's perverse and barbaric and often just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Bullfighting is pretty horrible, IMO, as is the Running of the Bulls - rather than reverence for a spirited animal, it's perverse and barbaric and often just stupid. Agreed. And the counter-arguments of cultural relativism are to be roundly dismissed, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Yep. It's about on par with dog fighting, IMO. Just with guys in tight sequin suits shaking their asses around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Agreed. And the counter-arguments of cultural relativism are to be roundly dismissed, imo. Cultural relativism is always roundly dismissed by other cultures... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Agreed. And the counter-arguments of cultural relativism are to be roundly dismissed, imo. Cultural relativism is always roundly dismissed by other cultures... Probably true, but Spain and Mexico aren't actually other cultures from ours. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Bullfighting is highly controversial in Spain too. Some regions have banned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 It's supposed to be a display of machismo, no? Man vs. beast. But it's nothing more than a cowardly exercise in torturing an animal to death. I have zero sympathy for the sequined tormentor. I'm fucking glad the bull nailed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 I always wanted to run with the bulls in Pamplona but somehow never got around to it. I would say that is one time where the bulls have the upper hand. If you want to get a flavor of it, try reading Hemingway's The Sun Also Rises or one of his other books. They also have (or had) bullfighting in Portugal, the principal difference being they don't kill the bull. I remember watching one on Spanish tv years ago; it's a rather odd spectacle with a bunch of people chasing the bull or something like that. There are videos on youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wheel Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 (edited) I always wanted to run with the bulls in Pamplona but somehow never got around to it. I would say that is one time where the bulls have the upper hand. They also have (or had) bullfighting in Portugal, the principal difference being they don't kill the bull. I remember watching one on Spanish tv years ago; it's a rather odd spectacle with a bunch of people chasing the bull or something like that. There are videos on youtube. And in a bunch of Latin America as well: http://blog.therealcostarica.com/2006/01/06/festivals-bullfighting-and-stuff/ I am not going to try and mount a moral defense of bullfighting, but it's a misconception to think of it as a sport or a contest which either side can "win". In Spain it's seen as closer to watching great theater a la Shakespeare- man and bull are actors in a tragic drama whose outcome is preordained, and it's the quality of their performances that matter, not who "wins." So comparisons to dogfighting are kind of inexact, too. Edited May 30, 2010 by Big Wheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 (edited) ... it's the quality of their performances that matter, not who "wins." So comparisons to dogfighting are kind of inexact, too. Unless you see both as nothing more than humans torturing animals. I understand the guy is back in intensive care. The bull is still dead. Edited May 30, 2010 by papsrus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wheel Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 ... it's the quality of their performances that matter, not who "wins." So comparisons to dogfighting are kind of inexact, too. Unless you see both as nothing more than humans torturing animals. Obviously, if you see both that way that is going to be how you see it. Point is, the Spaniards don't see it that way, and they are the ones doing the bullfighting. Whatever our opinions on bullfighting I think we can all agree that a large chunk of the Spanish population isn't into bullfighting simply because they're a bunch of sadistic monsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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