kh1958 Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Gene Ammons with Amina Meyers and George Freeman, that sounds like my kind of group. What is the origin of this material? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFam Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 This is a LIVE! unreleased recording made at the Both/And Club in San Francisco, recorded by George Semper for KSOL radio station broadcast on June 12, 1970. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Sounds like the tape has degraded a fair amount, but even at that, this is the group that some of us have long lusted to hear a recording of! Who's the drummer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 Any love for the woefully mis-titled Bad Bossa Nova, which does not include even one single bossa? It was reissued under the more appropriate title Jungle Soul. It goes nicely in a summertime exotica shuffle play while I'm mixing rum cocktails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 14 hours ago, JSngry said: Sounds like the tape has degraded a fair amount, but even at that, this is the group that some of us have long lusted to hear a recording of! Who's the drummer? from lineups I've seen elsewhere plus what seems to be written there I would guess it's Ajaramu (aka Joe Shelton aka Gerald Donovan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Niko said: from lineups I've seen elsewhere plus what seems to be written there I would guess it's Ajaramu (aka Joe Shelton aka Gerald Donovan) More aka's than some wanted posters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 2 hours ago, paul secor said: More aka's than some wanted posters. also Ajay and variants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 this is insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said: this is insane :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 If you could only take one Gene Ammons album to your desert island, what would it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Late said: If you could only take one Gene Ammons album to your desert island, what would it be? No question it would be "Jug" (1961) with Richard Wyands, Doug Watkins, and J.C. Heard. (Sleepy Anderson plays organ on one cut, replacing Wyands' piano). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mark Stryker said: No question it would be "Jug" ... I was listening to that album when I made my post above. 👍 That one would be close for me, but it feels like I'm not remembering another title... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Late said: I was listening to that album when I made my post above. 👍 That one would be close for me, but it feels like I'm not remembering another title... Well, the one that gets the most attention is Boss Tenor from 1960 with Tommy Flanagan, Doug Watkins, Art Taylor and Ray Barretto. It's GREAT -- in some ways greater than Jug. If I could take two Ammons records to the desert island, it would be those two. But the version of "Exactly Like You" on Jug tips the balance for me. YMMV. I will say that I think the real sweet spot in the discography is between 1960-62. There's obviously fantastic stuff before and after, and I have and love it all; but Jug is superman in that particular window. Edited December 13, 2022 by Mark Stryker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhatta Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Late said: If you could only take one Gene Ammons album to your desert island, what would it be? Young Jug: Live! in Chicago (Prestige) Late Jug: Goodbye (Prestige) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 do we ever get to hear the both/and tape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 It is really hard to choose just one Jug album. But I would have a hard time parting with the early recordings he made for Chess. For certain moods, nothing can beat those low key Moodsville albums (Nice an' Cool, The Soulful Mood). Just even the way Jug plays the melodies of some of those ballads is soooooo satisfying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 Who does Ammons come out of? Or, to put it another way, who would you point to as Ammons' influence(s)? I'm not exactly hearing anything springing from the Young/Hawkins binary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 Pres for sure rhythmically, but much of the rest (tone, phrasing, sheer drama) is almost all Ammons, with maybe a dab of Jacquet, though Illinois had Pres roots too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Late said: Who does Ammons come out of? Or, to put it another way, who would you point to as Ammons' influence(s)? I'm not exactly hearing anything springing from the Young/Hawkins binary. It's a good question. I've always thought of him as belonging to the Prez family tree. But then there's the Walter Dyett factor. Von Freeman, Cliff Jordan, John Gilmore, Johnny Griffin... he tutored a lot of unique tenor players. Edited February 16, 2023 by Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 48 minutes ago, Joe said: It's a good question. I've always thought of him as belonging to the Prez family tree. But then there's the Walter Dyett factor. Von Freeman, Cliff Jordan, John Gilmore, Johnny Griffin... he tutored a lot of unique tenor players. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 12/12/2022 at 11:31 PM, Late said: If you could only take one Gene Ammons album to your desert island, what would it be? For sentimental reasons, the one I was involved in. The rest is burned in my memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 12 hours ago, Joe said: But then there's the Walter Dyett factor. Yes, agreed—I wasn't thinking along those lines. The term should probably be capitalized as a phenomena unto itself: The Walter Dyett Factor. (Sounds like an early 60's cold war film.) Dyett on Wikipedia. Check that list of who studied with him—wow. Besides tenor players, the list of bassists is also impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 58 minutes ago, Late said: Yes, agreed—I wasn't thinking along those lines. The term should probably be capitalized as a phenomena unto itself: The Walter Dyett Factor. (Sounds like an early 60's cold war film.) Dyett on Wikipedia. Check that list of who studied with him—wow. Besides tenor players, the list of bassists is also impressive. One cannot overstate the incredible influence Black high school music teachers and bandleaders have had on the evolution of American music. Dyett in Chicago, Samual R. Browne in LA, G.A. Baxter at I.M. Terrell in Ft. Worth... And was it Harry Begian at Cass Tech? https://ethaniverson.com/black-music-teachers-in-the-era-of-segregation/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 John Hardee at Skyline in Dallas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Joe said: One cannot overstate the incredible influence Black high school music teachers and bandleaders have had on the evolution of American music. 👍👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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