Guest ariceffron Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 i was reading an old interview that was saying how hasaan was a chief influence on tyner and many of coltranes approaches such as naima and i was wondering what this lp is like if someone can tell me what they think and stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 If you have any sympathy for the stylings of Elmo Hope, get it. Elmo was a profound influence on Hassssaaan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 I like it very much. It's rough in spots, and maybe a little bit overrated as a "neglected masterpiece" or whatever it's often reffered as. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Get it, Aric. It's no-bullshit jazz in its rawest form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 I have a burn a friend gave me. It's interesting--not revelatory, but certainly distinctive. Anyone have any idea why Hasaan never recorded again? Or did he? This is a good opportunity to plug Giorgio Pacorig's My Mind Is On the Table, a terrific piano trio disc released last year on Splasc(h), which has an excellent tribute, "The Legendary Hasaan". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 This is a superb album. A great pianist. Wish he had recorded with Kenny Dorham who - according to the liner notes to his one Atlantic LP - was the first person Hasaan ran into when he decided to try his luck in New York. And would like Atlantic to issue the unreleased second album by Hasaan. This was recorded in August and September 1965 in New York with Odeon Pope, Art Davis and drummer Khalil Madi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Anyone have any idea why Hasaan never recorded again? A Cadence interview a few years back with, I think, Odean Pope (or some other Philly stalwart, the identity of the individual fails me now) made reference to Hassaan being a rather high-strung individual in terms of temperment, and allusions were also made to substance use (which is not to be confused w/abuse, btw). So the guy doesn't sound like they type to come into the NYC scene from the outside, set up shop, and go about thriving, if you know what I mean. But Pope (or whoever) kind of gave the impression that there are private tapes of local sessions in Philly still exisiting. So... I'd love to have been able to have heard this album in its time (released March, 1965). To today's ears, it might sound a little "no big dealish", but in 1965, I'd think the impact might have been more "in your face-ish". No matter - I myself hear a crackle, an immediacy of energy and purpose here that is about as vivid as I could imagaine, and that, more than any "stylistic" considerations is what continues to draw me to this album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 And would like Atlantic to issue the unreleased second album by Hasaan. This was recorded in August and September 1965 in New York with Odeon Pope, Art Davis and drummer Khalil Madi. I'm afraid the tapes were destroyed by the devastating fire in Atlantic's tape vaults in 1974 like most other unissued material before 1970, except for the few items that happened to be in New York for some reason - that's were the few uinissued tracks of Coltrane, Coleman and others come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 It is my understanding, a copy of this date survives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 So they had much more stored in New York? Like the Don Cherry tapes? Any idea how much there is, Chuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Long story, told before, but I have the Cherry tapes and the Steve Lacy. Before the fire a few things were copied for various reasons. In my case, I was negotiating to buy the sessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Bought the Hasaan album back then and have always loved it. The Elmo Hope relationship that Chuck mentioned is definitely there, but I also hear a strong kinship to Herbie Nichols (even if Hasaan didn't hear him much or at all) because the typical Hasaan and Nichols performance doesn't give you a tune first, then improvisation on the tune feel -- it's like the piece itself is omnipresent, a la the great stride players, but with a modern, semi-fractured sensibility that grows more fractured as Hasaan elaborates on the initial design. Admittedly, in Hassan's case, this can border on the oppressive/obssessive at times (which IMO is never the case with Nichols, with all his wit and humor), but I assume that's who Hasaan was. BTW, the Hasaan album is essential for Max admirers--he plays his ass off on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Admittedly, in Hassan's case, this can border on the oppressive/obssessive at times (which IMO is never the case with Nichols, with all his wit and humor), but I assume that's who Hasaan was. That describes it very well, I think, and the reason why I dig this CD out only once in five years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Long story, told before, but I have the Cherry tapes and the Steve Lacy. Before the fire a few things were copied for various reasons. In my case, I was negotiating to buy the sessions. Oh, now I remember - one more of these cases to drive a jazz lover mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Bought the Hasaan album back then and have always loved it. The Elmo Hope relationship that Chuck mentioned is definitely there, but I also hear a strong kinship to Herbie Nichols (even if Hasaan didn't hear him much or at all) because the typical Hasaan and Nichols performance doesn't give you a tune first, then improvisation on the tune feel -- it's like the piece itself is omnipresent, a la the great stride players, but with a modern, semi-fractured sensibility that grows more fractured as Hasaan elaborates on the initial design. Admittedly, in Hassan's case, this can border on the oppressive/obssessive at times (which IMO is never the case with Nichols, with all his wit and humor), but I assume that's who Hasaan was. BTW, the Hasaan album is essential for Max admirers--he plays his ass off on it. Interesting comments, Larry! I will keep them in mind when I pick the CD out of my shelf the next time. What you say about Roach is very true! Forgive me the sacrilegeous comparison, but what Roach plays is like 40 minutes constant "Un poco loco"... terrific (as he always is)! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Burke Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 I understand that this is a silly question but can someone please tell me the proper title of this release and who issued it? This is the third time in a month that it has come up in conversation and I'm beginning to get curious. Especially, since Hassan (apparently) played in a style not unlike Elmo Hope. Thanks as always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 This was released as Atlantic 1435. Full album title was 'Thge Max Roach Trio Featuring the Legendary Hasaan'. Cover had a photo - by Larry Fink - of Max Roach standing right behind Hasaan who is playing the pianoi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Burke Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 This was released as Atlantic 1435. Full album title was 'Thge Max Roach Trio Featuring the Legendary Hasaan'. Cover had a photo - by Larry Fink - of Max Roach standing right behind Hasaan who is playing the pianoi. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 Could not find the Atlantic CD-cover on the net. But this seems the only way to get it these days, anyway. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Burke Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 Could not find the Atlantic CD-cover on the net. But this seems the only way to get it these days, anyway. ubu Yes, the original cover pictured (as an insert) there looks very familiar. We had it at the archive but it never occurued to me to put it on. Oops.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 That cover is GREAT! One to get the LP, frame it and put it on the wall, in my opinion! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 That cover photo is credited to 'Laurence Fink'. As Larry Fink, the photographer became one of the best and most representative of the New York photographers' scene. Atlantic Records knew how to pick the right photographers for their album covers. So many great Lee Friedlander photos illustrate their LPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 That cover photo is credited to 'Laurence Fink'. As Larry Fink, the photographer became one of the best and most representative of the New York photographers' scene. Atlantic Records knew how to pick the right photographers for their album covers. So many great Lee Friedlander photos illustrate their LPs. Yes, I'm a big fan of Friedlander's photos! The ones in the Coltrane and Ornette Atlantic box sets are marvellous! Guess there would be some in the various nice Rhino 2CD Anthologies, too (I did never pick up one of them, as I tend to have more than half of what's included if the artist interests me - Mingus, Eddie Harris come to mind). ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 The Friedlaender cover photos were great, this is my favourite (sorry, couldn't find a bigger one): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 ... not bigger, but better: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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