jazzbo Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Berkeley Daily Planet Edition Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2004 Article Back to Mainpage Index of Sections Fantasy Records Up For Sale By Matthew Artz (03-02-04) Berkeley-based Fantasy Records, which owns many of the greatest recordings from the Golden Age of jazz, is for sale, according to a report in Billboard magazine. Fantasy executives refused to comment on the story published Friday, but one source confirmed the label was on the market. Billboard quoted an anonymous source that said the label, which generated sales of about $30 million in 2002, is being offered at $100 million, though a sale price will likely range from $64 million to $85 million, depending on yet unreleased 2003 earnings data. Fantasy?the largest record label in Northern California, with about 80 employees?owns legendary recordings by Miles Davis, John Coltrane and Thelonious Monk. It is also home to Creedence Clearwater Revival, a famous rock group. The company is the product of decades of record label acquisitions that allowed it to amass one of the largest troves of jazz and rhythm and blues music in world. Much of the company?s profits come from the repackaging of its catalog and selling songs for commercials or compilation albums, though the label does maintain an active roster of performers, including Sonny Rollins, Jimmy Scott and Berkeley High graduate Dave Ellis. Typically when a record label is sold, the buyer keeps the operation in place to preserve relations with its musicians, said David Card, media analyst for Jupiter Research. But Fantasy?s emphasis on its catalog business has some wondering if a sale would mean the label would leave Berkeley. Fantasy spokesperson Terri Hinte said, ?It was way too premature? to talk about what would happen to employees if a sale went through. Possible suitors include the label?s distributor, Beverly, Mass.-based Rykodisc, Beverly Hills-based Concord Records and New York-based Redux Records, Billboard reported. None of those companies returned phone calls Monday. Fantasy is a private company, and sorting through its financial data could be messy. Billboard speculated that this could result in a long due diligence period and a soft sales price. Fantasy also owns music studios located at its Berkeley headquarters. The company is headed by Saul Zaentz who has produced several movies, including The English Patient. A few years ago Fantasy backed out of a deal to sell its record business, said former Oakland Tribune Music Critic and Down Home Music Store employee Larry Kelp. He guessed that declining CD sales and the rapidly changing music business was driving their renewed interest in a sale. ?Their money is in CDs and CDs might not even exist soon. They might not want to figure out the next step,? said Kelp, adding that Zaentz was no longer actively involved in the record business. Despite declining revenues in the record industry, Dave Zaworski, associated editor of Down Beat Magazine said Fantasy would attract heavy interest. ?Their stuff will always sell,? he said. ?It would be enticing for a lot of labels.? Though the record industry has been racing towards consolidation, Zaworski said jazz has experienced an opposite trend. Major labels, including Atlantic and Columbia have dumped their jazz divisions, he said, offering more opportunities for smaller record companies. Fantasy was started in 1949 by Max and Sol Weiss. Zaentz bought the company in 1967. After the success of Creedence, he went on a buying spree and purchased top jazz labels, including Milestone, Riverside and Prestige. Kelp said that Fantasy maintains a family atmosphere, which makes the prospect of a sale even more unsettling. ?There?s probably almost 100 people who have been there most of their lives,? he said. ?It?s not a cutthroat company where the management is separate from the people.? ? http://www.berkeleydaily.org/text/article....4&storyID=18377 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 very interesting from a business perspective ... maybe less so from a fan perspective Fantasy does an incredible job putting stuff out and keeping it in print, cannot imagine anyone doing it better Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH With our luck, BMG will buy them out and not reissue a damn thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Burke Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 How will this affect the labels they distribute (like Rounder), I wonder...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 I don't think there is anything to gain for us fans in Fantasy changing ownership. They did an excellent job in reissueing the music and keeping it in print, but judging from the policy of most other jazz labels I don't think Fantasy was efficient economically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Fantasy made almost all of its money from Creedence Clearwater Revival. Jazz has been more of a labor of love. They have done a superb job with all of the labels that they acquired. I would have hoped for the opposite direction, that Fantasy would acquire another label like they did Specialty, and then do it complete justice. Duke/Peacock for example. I guess that the wind in the industry is really not blowing in a good direction these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rat Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Well, I guess we should root for Ryko? I figure they'd run the place with some semblance of decency. $70 million or so seems cheap for all that great catalog. --eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Wonder if Saul would take my check and hold it for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 A couple of years ago, when Karl Knudsen was staying with me, Fantasy faxed him an offer for Storyville. He turned it down because the figure was almost insulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Wonder if Saul would take my check and hold it for a while. Wonder what Creedence Clearwater Revival's John Fogerty's reply would be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Well, I guess we should root for Ryko? Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Unless you guys want to get together.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 I'm in for 100 bucks. Who's keepin track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 I wonder what percentage of the catalog's value is attributed to their jazz holdings? I certainly hope that whoever purchases Fantasy is jazz reissue friendly or would be willing to sell off/lease the jazz holdings to someone who is in the event that they may have no interest in doing jazz reissues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 I wonder what percentage of the catalog's value is attributed to their jazz holdings? I certainly hope that whoever purchases Fantasy is jazz reissue friendly or would be willing to sell off/lease the jazz holdings to someone who is in the event that they may have no interest in doing jazz reissues. It will be sold for the CCR recordings and the films (if included). Buy what you NEED soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 I certainly hope that whoever purchases Fantasy is jazz reissue friendly or would be willing to sell off/lease the jazz holdings to someone who is in the event that they may have no interest in doing jazz reissues. I'm afraid that's all we can pray for, unless Zaentz accepts Chuck' check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Buy what you NEED soon. I was afraid someone would post this sentence ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Though I would hesitate to jump to conclusions this is a situation that bears watching. If fears are realized then you might want to consider filling a semi truck full of money to snag all the items in THAT catalog that you would want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Wonder if Saul would take my check and hold it for a while. Wonder what Creedence Clearwater Revival's John Fogerty's reply would be... Hans I don't know if you remember this but on Fogerty's album "Centerfield" he recorded a song called "Zans Can't Dance".It was not complimentary. Zaents was not amused and he sued Fogerty and as a result Fogerty was forced to recut the song as "Vanz Can't Dance" and subsequent "Centerfield" albums had the recut and retitled version on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 It will be sold for the CCR recordings and the films (if included). Buy what you NEED soon. Yikes. That could run into some serious, serious, cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Buy what you NEED soon. I was afraid someone would post this sentence ..... No shit. Unfortunately, Fantasy has "always been there", so I've skimped on stuff I should have already... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 After reading this I was worried and then I read Chuck's comment and was even more worried but also puzzled? Do you mean the buyer will just fold most of the operations so they can get their hands on the rock part of the catalogue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Billboard quoted an anonymous source that said the label, which generated sales of about $30 million in 2002, is being offered at $100 million, though a sale price will likely range from $64 million to $85 million, depending on yet unreleased 2003 earnings data. $30 million in sales means how much profit? 5-7 million? 10? $80 million is way too much for this company, imo. $18-20 million sounds right. Maybe $25 million. I wonder if they're selling the real estate as well. Land is probably worth a lot in Berkely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ariceffron Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 does thi smean no more resissues ever???? trhis suckjs. that uis funny CCR is the reason fantasy bought prestige. that is all ccr are good for. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robviti Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 does thi smean no more resissues ever???? trhis suckjs. that uis funny CCR is the reason fantasy bought prestige. that is all ccr are good for. haha bullshit. creedence is the best american singles band that ever was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 (edited) Wonder if Saul would take my check and hold it for a while. Wonder what Creedence Clearwater Revival's John Fogerty's reply would be... Hans I don't know if you remember this but on Fogerty's album "Centerfield" he recorded a song called "Zans Can't Dance".It was not complimentary. Zaents was not amused and he sued Fogerty and as a result Fogerty was forced to recut the song as "Vanz Can't Dance" and subsequent "Centerfield" albums had the recut and retitled version on it. Thanks, but that was what I was referring to. Maybe I should have included a smilie. Edited March 4, 2004 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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