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1 hour ago, jazzbo said:

No, I'm in for any Betty Carter--she was astonishing.

I second that emotion! Would be on board for any kind of Betty Carter Mosaic. A set of unreleased live performances would be great, as would anything that pulled together various recordings of hers from the beginning of her career up to the 1970s (though the latter would involve licensing from multiple labels, often a too-problematic issue for potential Mosaic sets).  Who owns the Bet-Car material these days?

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12 minutes ago, jazzbo said:

I know it's not even close to possible but I'd love to see a box set of the early Moodsville Records.

 I would be into this as well.  Shame that Concord has their grubby talons into this music.  Probably will never see the light of day again.

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On 7/2/2022 at 0:35 PM, Late said:

Does it seem like the future of Mosaic Records is one of putting out box sets that contain music only made before, say, the mid to late 50's?

Well, no. The last five sets before the Black and White all went beyond the late 50s. The Desmond was from the mid-70s, The Tristano went up to 1970, the Armstrong to '66, and so on.

 

 

 

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Ok then, substitute "musicians that came into prominence before" for "music only made before" and I think it's a valid observation.

I certainly do not expect the current regime to do a set of somebody like, for example, Sonny Simmons.

Mosaic used to be good for lighting a fire up under the fan-recognition of certain individual artists who were worthy but as they say, "underrecognized". I'm not seeing that being a priority now. Not necessarily saying that it should be, just that it doesn't appear to be.

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On 2.7.2022 at 6:31 PM, jazzbo said:

I know it's not even close to possible but I'd love to see a box set of the early Moodsville Records.

If they do it, it will probably be a vinyl box set. 

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33 minutes ago, mikeweil said:

If they do it, it will probably be a vinyl box set. 

I doubt that to be honest. Vinyl sets are few and far between from Mosaic. . . it's been a while since they offered any. If they were to license a vinyl set I bet Concord would just have their Craft line do one.

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2 hours ago, JSngry said:

Ok then, substitute "musicians that came into prominence before" for "music only made before" and I think it's a valid observation.

I certainly do not expect the current regime to do a set of somebody like, for example, Sonny Simmons.

Mosaic used to be good for lighting a fire up under the fan-recognition of certain individual artists who were worthy but as they say, "underrecognized." I'm not seeing that being a priority now. Not necessarily saying that it should be, just that it doesn't appear to be.

This is what I was getting at. While Mosaic released, for example, Henry Threadgill and Anthony Braxton big boxes—and Sam Rivers and Andrew Hill small boxes—the current trajectory for sets doesn't appear to bear the same type of interest in similar artists. Not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, just that it appears more geared toward, say, the Louis Armstrong-purchasing crowd. However ... the last Mobley box set is an example that proves otherwise.

Current economics aside, I wonder if Mosaic would put out a Tina Brooks set today. But maybe this type of wondering is somewhat pointless.

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Oh yeah. That + And Now Hear This. And then his three Muse albums. 

Fill it out with his Atlantic appearances with Philly Joe and Ted Curson. A later Curson album done for Alan Bates (Flip Top) would be great too, if available. And maybe get that Joken album in there 

Get Kenny to contribute to the liners. Everybody knows and loves Kenny Barron. 

It would take some effort, belief, and enthusiasm, both to put it together and to market it, none of which I believe this current regime could muster for this artist, in this climate.

But this is certainly a most worthy artist to receive a treatment such as this . I believe I referred to him as "The Tina Brooks of the 21st Century" in regards to what a prime-era Mosaic could do with/for him. 

There's more material, some of it pretty stealth. And supposedly Barron's window has a substantial collection of tapes. But Bill Barron not being Phil Woods or Paul Desmond, forget about any of that 

Or any of it at all, for that matter 

 

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On 7/5/2022 at 2:23 PM, Late said:

This is what I was getting at. While Mosaic released, for example, Henry Threadgill and Anthony Braxton big boxes—and Sam Rivers and Andrew Hill small boxes—the current trajectory for sets doesn't appear to bear the same type of interest in similar artists. Not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, just that it appears more geared toward, say, the Louis Armstrong-purchasing crowd. However ... the last Mobley box set is an example that proves otherwise.

Current economics aside, I wonder if Mosaic would put out a Tina Brooks set today. But maybe this type of wondering is somewhat pointless.

Ah, ok, I take all your points. Yes, I think they've gotten a bit more conservative, driven by the decline in general of cd purchases and the simple need to survive. I know that several responses from Michael to various queries over the past few years have involved the notion of whether a given set had or would sell. And I myself am part of that "resistant" demographic. The Braxton set is the only one issued in the past several years that I didn't get. But I would get Jim's much longed-for Bill Barron set! Promise!

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bill Nelson said:

Some of the recent Mosaic harvests risk placement in the produce section next to 'moldy figs'.

 

Can you be a 'moldy fig' and still listen to Bird?  Yes, I think you can.

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3 hours ago, Bill Nelson said:

Some of the recent Mosaic harvests risk placement in the produce section next to 'moldy figs'.

 

At least Mosaic “produces” great sets instead of stuff that would end up stocked with diapers.

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 Mosaic is obviously pretty much a one man operation without a lot of resources nowadays.  If you think you can do better, do it.  They're not beyond criticism but they don't owe us anything except value for our money which I think I get. If you're not interested in what they're releasing don't buy it.  If there are collections you'd like to see that they don't want to do, do it yourself.   Scott would probably be willing to give advice. 

I was involved in the beginnings of the Criterion Collection (my wife named it).  Bob & Aleen Stein knew about Laser Discs and I  knew about films. We had no money and few connections but we kept at it.  (I can't take any credit for its eventual  success--  by the time it issued its first discs I was busy with other things.). 

I'm serious.   Many of  us have seem to have enough free time to spend it here kvetching about Mosaic.  Log off and get to work. 

 

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