Larry Kart Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fayt31lQiDI Aaron Sachs and the Manor Re Bops: Aaron Sachs (cl) Terry Gibbs (vib) Gene Di Novi (p) Clyde Lombardi (b) Tiny Kahn (d) 1158 " Tiny's Con" Manor 1124 New York, June 8, 1946. Written by drummer-composer-arranger Tiny Kahn. A forerunner of Miles Davis’s “Donna Lee,” recorded by Charlie Parker in 1947. Do you think Miles copped it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 Not at all a a cop, too many differences. But as an early bebop line on "Indiana" changes, yeah, it is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 (edited) I agree with Larry, there are a lot of pieces of it in that, at least rhythmically, mirror Donna Lee. Edited March 6, 2023 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted March 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 In the words of Judge Roy Be-Bop, 'There are a lot of pieces of it that "Donna Lee" mirrors -- not that "mirror 'Donna Lee'." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 Overlay the two lead sheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) Thanks for bringing this (back) to everyone's attention. The tune (along with the entire session) is more easily available (offline, i.e. outside YT) on Xanadu 124 (Bebop Revisited Vol. 2). Edited March 7, 2023 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgcim Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 I probably posted here about how Aaron Sachs gave me the record with that Tiny Kahn tune, and asked me to transcribe it, to see how close it was to "DL". I told him it had strong similarities, but it wasn't a ripoff. Phil Schaap had Aaron on his show, just to talk about the evolution of Donna Lee. When we used to play it on a gig, Aaron would say, "Let's play that line they wrote on Donna Lee." This fostered the impression that they might have started out with Tiny's tune, and then each player would subtract or add parts to it over time, until they arrived at what we now know as Donna Lee. Jazz was a more communal, jam session art back in Aaron's time, and everybody played with everyone else after their commercial gigs, and would come up with contrafacts in that manner. Those cats used to jam in The Bronx over Aaron's parent's house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 Some similarities but I go with that there are pieces that DL mirrors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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