jimmyjrg Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 Available Feb 1, Sam Records is reissuing Sun Ra's first album on Transition, along with a matching volume 2 that was intended for Transition but eventually released by Delmark instead. It's limited to 500 copies, but I don't believe it contains anything that isn't already available elsewhere apart from the matching artwork. There's some previews of how it looks on Instagram now. https://www.instagram.com/p/DFA0eh9O7Ay/ https://www.instagram.com/p/DE5lEjMvaTw/ Quote
mjazzg Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 It's in their Artisan range (single LP at €100) so that's going to €150 at least I'd guess. I hope I'm wrong... Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 Very nice, though I already have the trusty Delmark issues of this material. El is a Sound of Joy indeed. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 cool to see the silver print design for vol. 2, but now that I've seen it I don't need it would be kinda neat if they reused the Sonet design (I do think that's a wonderfully appealing alternative), but... yeah, this stuff has been out so many times I don't see a reason to do it again. Maybe not private jet wasteful, but pretty wasteful. Quote
JSngry Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 1 hour ago, clifford_thornton said: cool to see the silver print design for vol. 2, but now that I've seen it I don't need it Hello! Quote
mjazzg Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 What's the best way to hear both sessions at the moment? Quote
colinmce Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 3 hours ago, mjazzg said: What's the best way to hear both sessions at the moment? Sun Song and Sound of Joy on Delmark CD. both possibly out of print technically, but not hard to find, and not expensive. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 they're both listed as available on CD or LP via the Delmark website. Quote
mjazzg Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 (edited) Thanks both. I suspected that the Delmarks were the best but it's good to get the confirmation as there's so many reissues about these days. Now to fill the inexplicable gap on my shelves Edited January 21 by mjazzg Quote
romualdo Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 pity they didn't add the Ra Transition acetate tracks covering alts/outtakes etc from the same sessions - they need a proper issue https://musicpriceguide.com/12572/sun-ra-outtakes-1957-acetate-lp-unreleased-transition-unknown-recordings-hear/ Quote
jimmyjrg Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 (edited) 4 hours ago, romualdo said: pity they didn't add the Ra Transition acetate tracks covering alts/outtakes etc from the same sessions - they need a proper issue https://musicpriceguide.com/12572/sun-ra-outtakes-1957-acetate-lp-unreleased-transition-unknown-recordings-hear/ I'd really like to hear the Dave Coleman track from that acetate more so than the Sun Ra tracks. Does anyone still have the sample from the auction? Has a proper tracklisting of that acetate ever been released? I think some of it has seen release, possibly Eve from this compilation as it's from this era according to the description, but I'm not sure. Maybe some on the CD Transitions 1: Spaceship Bop (1955-57)? I know there's mp3s of a Sun Ra Transition acetate, but the source isn't clear. In Tom Lord's jazz book the session includes the following (bold indicates unreleased, though these ones are the mp3s floating around): Quote Brainville Call for all demons (tk 2) (false start) Call for all demons (tk 3) Transition (tk 1) Possession (tk 1) (incomplete) (1) Possession (tk 2) (1) Street named Hell (tk 1) (false start) Street named Hell (tk 2) Lullaby for Realville Future (incomplete, tb solo only) Future Swing a little taste New Horizons fragement (p noodling only) Fall off the Log Sun song (2) unidentified ballad * Delight (tk 1) Delight (tk 2) unidentified hard bop *later identified as Delilah / Majestic 1 Maybe there were some more? Edited January 21 by jimmyjrg mentioned identified unknown track Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 would be interesting to hear the alternates, at least, but I do feel like we are swimming in Sun Ra at this point and there's material I'd rather see out there before Ra Transition-era false starts. Just my .02 of course. Quote
Pim Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 On 1/20/2025 at 5:31 PM, mjazzg said: It's in their Artisan range (single LP at €100) so that's going to €150 at least I'd guess. I hope I'm wrong... I still wonder why those have to be that expensive. It also doesn’t really meet up with what I see as Sam’s buisness philosophy but maybe I am wrong. Quote
Daniel A Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 (edited) On 1/21/2025 at 2:37 AM, clifford_thornton said: they're both listed as available on CD or LP via the Delmark website. Sun Song on vinyl has run out. But you can get in on quarter track reel-to-reel for $150. (Half track is $475) Edited January 22 by Daniel A Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 Jeez. I stand corrected. At least it seems easily findable on sites like Discogs, especially the later pressings. Quote
T.D. Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 (edited) On 1/21/2025 at 3:19 PM, clifford_thornton said: would be interesting to hear the alternates, at least, but I do feel like we are swimming in Sun Ra at this point and there's material I'd rather see out there before Ra Transition-era false starts. Just my .02 of course. Very much agreed. Kudos to Sun Ra LLC and others for all the releases, but the flow has become extremely difficult/costly to keep up with. I can't afford to buy everything. Prefer a release of all unheard (by me) material to a reissue of something I already own with a couple of alternates/outtakes added. Edited January 22 by T.D. Quote
jazzbo Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 I'm so happy for those cds that came out last decade and this decade from the LLC--I have rebought many because the sound is so improved, and I limit the "flow" (the spice must flow as my best friend tells me!) by just buying those releases up to the late 'seventies and disregarding the rest--the criteria I have developed as I find I am very very uninterested and connected to Ra material after that period. Quote
jimmyjrg Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 On 1/21/2025 at 9:19 PM, clifford_thornton said: would be interesting to hear the alternates, at least, but I do feel like we are swimming in Sun Ra at this point and there's material I'd rather see out there before Ra Transition-era false starts. Just my .02 of course. That's fair. There's a lot of Sun Ra to wade through right now. But I'd still like to hear all of that Transition acetate @romualdo linked since it has some other Transition artists on it too. It seems unlikely it will ever get an official release for that reason though. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 16 hours ago, jazzbo said: I'm so happy for those cds that came out last decade and this decade from the LLC--I have rebought many because the sound is so improved, and I limit the "flow" (the spice must flow as my best friend tells me!) by just buying those releases up to the late 'seventies and disregarding the rest--the criteria I have developed as I find I am very very uninterested and connected to Ra material after that period. I'm in a similar boat. The Ahmed Abdullah book -- one of my favorite jazz memoir-type things ever -- illuminated a lot of it for me, and I did feel more appreciation for later Ra as a result. Quote
T.D. Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 I'm full up on "1980s live Arkestra set" recordings. Open-minded about other periods, but I can't afford* to buy all the flood of releases, so I selectively screen on Bandcamp. Oddly, I really enjoy the 1990 Mayan Temples, though. *Plus, getting old and realize that I've accumulated an absurd # of CDs and objectively don't need any more. 🤪 Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 Mayan Temples is quite good in my opinion. Quote
pglbook Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 I don't see this listed on the Sam Records website. Wouldn't they have these on there to pre-order? Or is only available as of February 1? Also, does anyone know what both records, Jazz by Sun Ra Volume 1 & Volume 2, will cost? I definitely would like to add these two Sam reissues to my Sun Ra collection, if possible. Quote
mjazzg Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 Available from 1st February at which point we'll know the cost, see my comment up thread as to likely cost bracket given this series previous release, $100/LP Quote
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