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As I have personally given Carl Smith some private Sonny material (none included on this "Road Shows" release), I forwarded this thread to him and here is his response:
"Tracks 1,3 and 4 of the Road Shows CD (more than 30 minutes) are from my collection and the rest from Sonny's soundboard tapes. The notes in the CD are all correct as to date, venue and personnel. The applause has been edited to give the impression and feel of one concert and the tracks were mastered so as to reduce the differences in sound character from one track to another. It's funny that one fellow on the forum feels they all sound the same. A reviewer complained that he is bothered by the great differences in sound between the ones from my collection (which were taped from radio and TV broadcasts by fans) and the soundboard tapes. Can't please everybody. In any event, I'm deeply gratified to get more than 30 minutes of what I consider Sonny's best work before the jazz public. That's as much as an LP! And there will be more of my stuff on future Road Shows CDs. "
Thank you very much MartyJazz for that explanation, now I can update my database with confidence. An odd practice, in my opinion, but, as you say, you can't please everyone. Anyway, if the series continues at the same high standard as volume one, I'll be on tenterhooks waiting for subsequent volumes.
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i don't think i have a bad rep and what does changing my name have to do with anything?
I wouldn't say you have a bad reputation necessarily, but (IMO) you do spout some off the wall stuff from time to time. The above is a good example... Why are you talking shit to a newcomer to the board who has a valid question?
Personally, I'd like Bob to stick around the board as he certainly seems to care about the music... no need to give him grief over a question like this.
Sorry to derail the thread...
Cheers,
Shane
Thanks, Shane, for your encouraging words - they are the nearest thing to a welcome I've received so far.
From a point of view of my love of listening to jazz, I don't give a toss about who's playing, or when, or where, but, having decided to create and maintain a database containing such information, I have added a new dimension to my hobby, which keeps me happy and occupied in my retirement.
As to my question, I could paraphrase a well-known tag by saying YCLTI.
I believe you have Thanksgiving this weekend. We English celebrate Thanksgiving on July 4th, of course, but have a good one anyway!
Bob
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try reducing the dosage of whatever pills you are taking. they are making you paranoid.
That particular suggestion I DO find offensive. Constructive criticism is welcome at all times, rudeness is not.
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Bob,
No offence, but I think you're tripping. The '80s tracks have the high note stuff that appeared in his work breifly then. Other than that his approach hasn't really varied all that much in recent decades. Love this album, looking forward to more.
Dana
Dana,
No offence taken, or very little.
You may be right, but how do you explain the fact that, on my version of the album at least, at the end of Tenor Madness, in a voice-over (that's voice simultaneous with diminishing applause), I can clearly hear somebody, presumably Rollins himself, saying "Uh thank you, deeply, uh ladies and gentlemen, for coming to see (us) in Victoria. This is our first time in Victoria", when the track is supposed to have been recorded in Tama City, Japan?
I am old, but not senile, and am definitely not tripping - at least not in the sense you were implying - but I do want to be confident that my discography database contains reliable information, even if it is only for my own sake.
I can't imagine why any studio engineer constructing an album would spend so much effort in mixing to make a thank you which was obviously uttered in 2007 in Victoria BC, sound simultaneous with the tail-end of a recording made seven years earlier. What would be the point?
Of course, it's possible that that's not the way it sounds on your copy of the album. I'd be very interested if that is the case, so that I can take up the issue with my supplier, although it won't interfere with my enjoyment of one of the best albums it's been my pleasure to listen to for a number of years.
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I can't help but notice that the letter does not contain a spelling or grammatical error except the one word which was scratched out.
I suspect that Sonny's education was far superior to what many Americans receive today.
The album, for me, is definitely one of the best I've ever heard from Rollins, and that's the truth.
However, I have serious doubts about the discography. I have listened to it several times already, and have searched for recording details. The answers I get don't agree with what I hear. Just to take a few examples:
Track 3 (Blossom), claimed to be recorded in Umeå, Sweden Oct 25 1980, ends with the audience clapping in unison until cutoff.
Track 4 (Easy Living), claimed to be recorded in Warsaw, Poland Oct 23 1980, begins with the audience clapping in unison (identical with the clapping at the end of track 3), and finishes with Rollins' voice announcing "Tenor Madness", followed by applause running smoothly into...
Track 5 (Tenor Madness), "June 6 2000 Tama City, Japan", ends with Rollins thanking the audience "deeply" for coming to hear him in Victoria - "...this is our first time in Victoria..." - and runs smoothly into (surprise, surprise)
Track 6 (Nice Lady) "June 24 2007 Victoria, BC, Canada", ends with Rollins announcing "...from South Pacific, ...
Some Enchanted Evening...", running smoothly into
Track 7 (Some Enchanted Evening) "September 18 Carnegie Hall, NY".
Rollins' sound throughout seems to me to be of the same vintage. I've always thought of him as a musician in constant development, and I'd expect some differences over a period of 27 years. I also feel that the local acoustic is pretty much the same throughout, consistent with the same recording location and conditions throughout.
My interest in Rollins was awakened in the sixties with The Bridge, produced after a significant turning point in his playing. This album is arguably the best I've heard of his since then, with perhaps the exception of his Tenor Madness with Coltrane, Garland, Chambers and Philly Joe Jones. It deserves much better provenance.
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Kai Winding?
As a Dane, he would have pronounced it something like Kye (rhyming with "eye") Vinning, but very few people, apart from Danes, are capable of pronouncing ANY of their names correctly.
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I'm trying to gather some reliable discography information about this album, an album I'd throughly recommend. All the sites I've found so far indicate that it's a collection of previously unreleased private recordings from 1980 to 2007, made in Japan, Sweden, Poland, Canada, France and the US.but listening to it makes me wonder who's trying to pull who's leg.
1) It all sounds like the same vintage of Rollins - Newk, of all players, has ALWAYS developed style-wise.
2) It sounds very much like exactly the same location acoustics, and about the same size audience.
3) The tracks themselves belie the published information.
Track 1 (Best Wishes - "1986-05-25, Tokyo") runs smoothly, with identical audience noise, into
Track 2 (More Than You Know - "2006-05-15, Toulouse") same thing, into
Track 3 (Blossom - "1980-10-25 - Umeå"), at the end, the audience starts clapping rhythmically, the rhythm
continuing smoothly into
Track 4 (Easy Living - "1980-10-23 Warsaw"), at the end of which Rollins announces "Tenor Madness", directly
into
Track 5 (Tenor Madness - "2000-06-08 - Tama City"). Now, at the close, Rollins thanks the audience, "Deeply"
for coming to hear him in Victoria, "... it's our first time in Victoria" and starts into
Track 6 (Nice Lady - "2007-06-24 - Victoria"), finally introducing "... from South Pacific, called Some Enchanted
Evening", and so to
Track 7 (Some Enchanted Evening - "2007-09-18 New York").
There are two possibilities I can see: one, that I have some kind of bootleg album, but all the track times agree;
two, somebody's lying. I cannot imagine a record producer inserting canned applause, MATCHING applause at that, into a compilation of private recordings from over a period of seventeen years.
I remember well my excitement when I first acquired "The Bridge" from 1962. 45 years later he sounds even better!
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I've tried asking the pronunciation of Martial Solal's name on another bulletin board with no luck also.
No one knows?
It depends on how close you want to get, but Mar Siall So Lall should be acceptable.
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Well, maybe you can convey my thanks to Carl Smith for me. I'd appreciate it.
BTW, do you know if it's possible to insert a signature in these posts? I mean automatically.
Hälsningar/Regards, Bob