jonathanhorwich

Geez, you guys are inspiring as can be. it is so appreciated. So after I get this Fischer, Extension out in the next week, I'll do Steig, Flute Fever and then Daley. I'll save the money for Daley and do it right. That's three killer reissues in a row. The Fischer, Extension to me is mind blowing and one of the greatest large ensemble arrangements I have ever heard. Very exciting. And not an easy sell itself. At least the Dixon and Hemphill had a reputation whereas these next two are a bit out of the blue, I think. Thoughts?

Thank you all for your enthusiasm. As a note the Marsh/Kontiz material from the Half Note sessions was put out in an unedited version Lee Konitz/Warne Marsh Live at the Half Note or some such name. The performances with Bill Evans on piano (Tristano ironically was off the night they taped the sessions to teach) are monumental. We at Revelation as mentioned put out an edited version before that with only the Marsh solos with all else edited out. Warne gave us those edited tapes and we put them to vinyl. Whether I can reissue these again I have to see. We owned the rights back then and perhaps that would legally give me the right to put them out again edited for Marsh fans. I know Lee was not happy about those edited versions and I would not want to cause any upset. So we'll see what I've got for the future. But Warne is one of the all time greats and I'll figure something out.

Dear All, Thanks again for all your comments and intelligent observations. As a first note, JSngry, sorry didn't mean to imply you thought Coker = Warne. Coker does have that influence for sure. I wasn't clear at all on that. By the way I just listened to Warne playing on Confirmation on the CD Two Not One with Konitz. Wow. Well good news Colinmce. New Dance was put out by my company Revelation Records. In fact it was recorded in my residence at the time above Pasadena. If you have it you'll see me as a youngster sitting at the piano in the picture. I think your observations are very accurate. And yes Domanico is fabulous. Love his playing. I may put out New Dance as a reissue since I own the rights. I know Hat Hut leased the rights to it from my partner and it is available, but I may redo it in the future. John L, I own all the rights to our Revelation material I will put out some Marsh. For sure. In fact I am making some tape copies for a specialized audiophile market who have tape machines and the second tape issue will be Marsh in a live performance in Pasadena. But in the future I'll put out the CD reissues of Warne. I have all the tapes right here. I'm so glad some of you know about Warne and his incredible playing. He has always been one of my favorite players.

Thanks guys. On the box set I'll probably do it. The hell with it. For those who don't buy it, so be it. How they can resist I don't know. The Clare Fischer reissue is the same performances as the vinyl. There are no bonus tracks as there was only one more alternative cut of one of the tunes and Clare said not to issue it as the vinyl performances are perfect as is. So no bonus. Who needs it as this work is in and of itself. Coker plays beautifully and in the mode that fits the entire production. Unfortunately no one ever had a Warne thing going. No one can play like Warne and no one probably ever will. Warne was a genius whose ideas flowed out of his fingers in ways no one has ever approached stylistically or perhaps even intellectually. He was from another planet.

The tenor player on Extension, Ornithardy is Jerry Coker who Clare mentions in the notes he wrote for this reissue. I hope to have this out very soon.

Well, hopefully, because of the standard of music, sound and packaging of the previous releases, one would opt to buy the box set based on that. You'd know the sound, the packaging and the music all would be of high quality. Well, I'm about to put out Clare Fischer's Extension and I doubt no more than a handful of people out there know Clare's work on this performance. But I believe it is brilliant and deserves to be heard and known. You who buy it will be taking a risk, but only a $20.00 risk. Still, the principle holds. I hope to keep a high standard of music so my customers know they can trust what I put out to be of high quality and even if not their favorite type of jazz, they know it is worth keeping and treasuring their purchase as I believe someday these reissues will be looked upon as valuable in their own right as the vinyl is to us today. Anyway, that's my hope and vision for these reissues. You guys would know better than me how this sits with you the buyer.

Again, thanks guys. I truly appreciate your ideas, inputs, etc. Very helpful. I don't have to do the box which adds 7gs to the cost!! And if I do the three CDs nicely as usual, I might get away with cheaper packaging. But I'd rather charge the $5.00 extra retail and come out with a killer box set which defines the thing for all time. I like doing things once and for all. I don't want to go broke (again) but I'd rather go broke (again) and know I did it right. And did it worthy of the work and time and sweat the musicians put into the music. I feel I did Dixon and Hemphill right and it was of a stature which approached the level of music they turned out. So this is what I wrestle with. I don't mean to spill my emotions or jazz mind set onto the collective table here but that's what keeps me from saving the money. John L makes an intelligent observation that this is not a series that people will be dying to hear the next section of. I think it is a one time shot. Having the package of material at once and hearing the studio sessions and then the live is really fascinating. And how the group falls together on the later gig at Newport and smokes it. Russell Thorne should be in bass heaven with a few others. Anyway, those are my thoughts. I guess I'll have to make the money somehow and fork it over. I imagine the initial costs will be a cool 25gs to put it out. Then I pray I get it back. If it sells 1000 I'll break even. If it sells 1500 I'll make a small profit for the next reissue.

AfricaBrass, thanks. That was my first idea and I may just do it. Put out the three CDs one by one. Or maybe do a two CD package with the usual covers I provide with a CD inserted on each side and pick the best of the music and have a nice two CD package priced at around 25.00. So I've got food for thought.

David, thanks. I don't' think most people feel it is boring. As this is an aesthetic judgment I can't say much more about that. But most who have heard it think it is good music. I don't' think it is boring especially if you listen to Dexterity (even though heavily edited), or to Russell Thorne's bass playing. Boring he is not for my ear. But I know what you are saying and it may work against me. It is a dicey decision as it is financially risky. I could just put out one CD with the real live stuff which is seriously good and with a few additions from the studio sessions like Dexterity in its full length and leave it at that. That would be a gem of a CD. And no one would fine that boring in the least. I'll just have to see how it works for me financially.

Hey, thanks for all your useful data guys. I will try and keep it to $50.00. I really will. But 60.00 is 20.00 per CD not even counting the new deluxe box. I can't do it any other way than as you've seen my other releases so the box will have to be killer or I won't be proud of it. If I'm not proud of it, well I won't put it out. If something is worth doing, it is worth doing as best as one can. But I digress. SuperBad and those in Europe if you can't get the thing easily email me at jonathanhorwich@me.com and I'll fix you up. So don't worry about that. As far as wanting to hear it first, I find the Live at Newport 63 vinyl music good but not stirring, except the bass playing. (The reverb added in the studio ruins the impact for me as it is so darn excessive.) But once I heard the original unedited, unreverbed 3 track masters, and the real live set, well that was a different matter. The Live set is really really fine. And the bass playing is as good as it gets by anyone at anytime. And surely Russell Thorne's arco bass work is untouched. He was trained as a classical musician here in Chicago. His playing is why I am putting it out. It is not just very good, it is extraordinary and must be documented so it is there for the future. That's why I'm taking a chance on this set. And of course, we've all bought CDs with hopeful expectations only to be disappointed. Well many many times for me. So you always take a chance with buying something not known or heard. But that's the way this hobby is. I think the music and packaging of this compilation will be fair for that price. How someone could not want to have this documentation of one of the greatest jazz bass players ever to pick up the instrument, I don't know. And the rest of the playing is very good and unusual and original. So thanks, I'll probably do the project and pray to the Jazz God he guides me through to the end.

Colinmce has brought up a key point for me. I had hoped to keep the retail cost around 50-60 dollars. Assuming the same high quality in this production as usual with IPI and three separate CDs in the box but each with its own usual IPI cover (not just bare CDs as is usual in box sets) would you all pay the 60.00 bucks? And the outer box will be a blow away. Think carefully, because as you know when the time comes to buy it can be daunting to have to pay out that much in these times. All of your feedback would do much to help me work this somewhat sticky problem out. The CD box to hold the three separate CD covers will cost me 7,000.00 alone. I can recover my costs if I sell for 50 or 60 dollars. And sell 1500 of them. Thank you all.

Yes, the airplane noise is dubbed as are the announcements and clapping and reverb. Yes, this reissue will be Joe Daley actually at Newport for the first time and his two studio sessions in Chicago before the Newport live date. So three different sessions took place and all will be included except maybe one performance in the studio if space does not permit. P.S. Note for those who quoted my previous entry I have since made minor edits and updates.

Thank you all so much for your recent comments. And especially thank you AfricaBrass for restarting this thread as luckily it came to my email inbox. I am not good at using the blog. I am about to leave Tokyo back to Chicago. I just finished the new cover here in Tokyo for Clare Fischer, Extension which will be fully manufactured in two weeks. The music is large ensemble jazz with classical and other tinges. Not avant. But as brilliant as jazz arrangement ever gets. It is pure genius in my opinion and why I am putting it out. I hope you all will like it. It gets the same sound and packaging treatment as all the previous IPI reissues. Sound is straight off the 3 track masters at EMI. Next will be Steig, Flute Fever and tnen Joe Daley, At Newport 63'. At Sony Entertainment in NYC I transferred all the Daley tapes and there is enough material for three CDs. NONE of the actual original live music from Newport was on the vinyl. None. The live material has never been published. The vinyl was all studio performances, heavily edited, and reverbed to death and gone. The real live stuff is killer good. The rhythm section is amazing. And of course there is no reverb on the live stuff and it is dead sounding like the real outdoors. I am blown away with the performances both in the studio and at Newport and the sound quality. Three CDs worth. It will be in a deluxe box. Expense to me and the consumer is the only hitch right now as the box alone adds thousands to the cost. But the box will be gorgeous. More data to come. Again thank you all for bringing this all to the fore and allowing me to give some predict to what is ahead.

The problem is the rights to the Flying Dutchman catalog reside with the several daughters of Bob Thiele. They wish to sell the entire catalog to someone. In the meantime they will not lease out the rights to any individual title. I am hoping they will sell soon at which point I would lease the rights from the new owner. Or I am hoping the daughters will change their minds and let me lease the two Carter Bradford releases on Flying Dutchman. Hope that clarifies. By the way, Sony Entertainment owned the rights up until 2010ish, but through whatever means ownership is now with the daughters.

Dear All, Reprint is done on Hemphill and enroute to distributor--1000 copies. Flying Dutchman Carter Bradford bugged to a faretheewell. But eventually I'll get the rights. Thanks.

Dear All, my distributor has asked me to reprint as Amazon tried to order over 600 copies of it. So I'm looking into a 600 copy or 1100 copy reprint. This is selling way way faster than Dixon did.

Dear All, Again, thanks for you kind comments. Amazon runs in and of stock as they sell out and get more. It is selling much faster than any of us imagined. Just try another vendor like Dusty Groove and then CD Baby or someone. Goggle the title and artist and you'll find someone with it. But not for long as I'm out and down to personal copies as mentioned. And 400 more copies are now on their way to the distributor so there are some left for sale.

Dear All, Yes all 1500 copies are now gone--officially shipped today to the distributor. Dusty Groove and Amazon still have copies and that I just shipped today means many outlets will still have it for a few weeks I imagine. I would only reprint if I knew I could sell 1000 more and that is unlikely. So that is that on Dogon A.D. Done deal. Working on the next.

Hey Head Man, thank you so so much for your kind words. This is what makes such reissues worth it. Otherwise why bother. Anyway, so glad you are enjoying it.

I think the write up by Ep1strOphy is brilliant. Really perceptive. Surely beyond what I could ever express in words or even concepts. And on another subject, I should not have said Oliver Sain produced it. It was his studio and he was the engineer. Here is a quote test from Baikida to me about the drop outs, etc. Thought you guys should get the straight dope rather than my interpretation. "Hey Jonathan, The problem we had with the recording was: Oliver Sain's Gateway Studio, (where we recorded Dogon A.D. and "Hard Blues") only had a 4 track tape recorder and one of the tracks didn't work. He had to juggle between the group set-up and the solo set-up, and sometimes it wasn't so smooth. Also, being a funk master/engineer he wasn't really familiar with the music we were playing so it sometimes caught him off guard. After working through the experience, he loved and talked about the session and the music for years. Baikida Carroll"

Thanks for your kind words Skeith. I do not plan to reprint Hemphill. When the 1500 sell out that will be that. As a side note, when I first heard the shifting I thought the rock producer had done it on purpose until I found out that the tape deck had a faulty channel.

Dear Mr. Skeith, Yes, that shifting you hear is due to the fact that the 4 track tape recorder they used had a faulty channel so as it dipped in and out the sounds shifts over. Then when it recovers from the intermittent fault, the sound comes back. I probably should have noted that on the Producer Notes and will in the future. Also the producer of the original session was involved in the rock world so the shifting is somehow appropriate to his style. Jonathan

Dear All, the gold is a mistake. There are seven blank gold CDs floating around and this is one of them. They were mixed in with the shipment to the distributor. They are blank and have no music on them. Please contact me at once if you have a gold blank CD. I'll replace it at once at no cost obviously. Sorry about this. Jonathan H.

Thank you all for your kind comments. Very appreciated. Several topics: The print through is on the master tapes (of course as that is where print through comes from) and we did not try to take it out and mar the audio. So what you hear is what was there on those tapes. I have found so far with well known titles I will sell a total of about 1500 in the end. I imagine with some of my releases they will be lucky to sell 750. For instance, my next reissue is Clare Fischer, Extension. Well although this is one of my favorite big band albums of all time, not many people know about it. I'll print 1000 but that is optimistic. Then will come either Jeremy Steig Flute Fever or the Flying Dutchman Carter Bradford material if the legal issues sort out. That would sell 1500. So, that is what is over the horizon and those are the sales figures I can figure out. Anyone who has two of the Hemphill is lucky. Hold onto those two and use one up and keep the other sealed. It will be a collectors item in a few years and you'll be happy you have two.

Dear All, Thanks Mr. Thornton for your kind words on the sound. And Kyo thank you too. The chances of me printing more than the 1500 Hemphills I already printed is unlikely. On Bill Dixon I printed 2000 at the behest of the distributor City Hall Records and now I've got some 700 discs to sell. They probably will over a several year period but that ties up funds which would be putting out other reissues. So on Hemphill it will be 1500 and that will be that. Dusty Groove in Chicago is selling them like crazy and just reordered more and got them. Anyway, there you go. On to the next reissue.