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So, I have a question. I still can't find a labelography for these. Is this to say that Status is the only subsidiary out of these to reissue earlier titles?
The green label Prestige, distributed by Fantasy aren't necessarily reissues, right? Or are they?
For these examples, is the original dark blue, purple, or green? I've seen or have green labels for each of these, and was wondering if they are original pressings or not:
-7550: Sunshine of my Soul (Jaki Byard) [10/31/67]
-7615: The Jaki Byard Experience (Jaki Byard) [9/17/68]
-7686: Solo Piano (Jaki Byard) [7/31/69]
Thanks!
-Jay
Jay,
Some of the earlier titles on Prestige, New Jazz, Swingville and Moodsville were reissued on the Status label. However, the last numbers of the New Jazz catalogue were issued only on the Status label (but with ST instead of NJ prefix). Pressing quality of Status issues is so so.
First pressings of the Byard records you mention should have blue labels with logo on top.
Peter
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forgive me but phonograph records were made to deliver sound/music. some issues do a better job than others because of the quality of the pressings or the quality of the mastering. i find the "collector's" search for "originals" to be an anti sound reproduction fetish. collectors never ask the best mastering of an lp, only the earliest. this, in my opinion, is against the best reproduction of the music. to me this is no different than stamp collecting.
Thanks for expressing your opinion (or disapproval) about collectors. I think everyone on this board was already aware of that.
It would be nice though, to let us collectors decide for ourselves if we want to discuss silly things as labels, ears, jackets and so on.
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In my opinion some of the Music Matters (or AP) reissues DO sound much better than any other previous editions (including TOCJ CD versions or even original pressings), such as Speakin' My Piece or Little Johnny C. The AP of Blue Train also sounds very good. However, I do agree that some other 45 RPM reissues - Lee Way, Dexter Calling, The Big Beat and Capuchin' Swing come to mind - show less inprovement. Must say I love the MM jackets!
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Too bad the original cover could not be duplicated. I like the old one
much better than the new one:
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... and those oxxbridge gallery ebay prices are definitely absurd.
I completely agree. Lots of 10" records - which are not even that collectable - for absurd "Buy It Now" prices.
The records they offer don't seem to sell in large quantities. However they try again and again...
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Daniel,
The coloured ones I have - perhaps 5 or 6 - actually do sound very well and are as good as the mono (black) pressings. I buy them if they are not expensive and if I can't find a mono copy (like most jazz collectors I prefer records from this period in mono). Other West Coast labels (e.g. Tampa, Dootone, Fantasy) also issued LP's on red vinyl, these are often of inferior (sound) quality.
Peter
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When we're at it I could as well ask if anybody knows if red and black vinyl pressings of the same title were manufactured simultaneously, or if read vinyl at some point was the standard for new releases.
Like this one?
I have some titles of the PJ New Series on coloured vinyl (not only on red, but also on blue and yellow vinyl); these are all stereo copies. I always believed that mono copies, with the PJ2A label and deep grooves, were released earlier than the coloured (stereo) ones, but I have no proof of this.
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A few questions to those with good knowledge of PJ/WP vinyl pressings:
Around when were the shifts between the different designs? (There seem to be two versions of label type two, and also an early WP label which I've called WP1)
Liberty is said to have taken over World Pacific already in 1964, but when did they start to put Liberty on the labels? Label 3 seems to have debuted later. Or was the takeover in fact later than 1964?
Your questions about the shifts between labels are not so easy to answer, because Pacific Jazz/World Pacific issued several different series during the years. The company started with the label 'Pacific Jazz', changed the name in 'World Pacific' in 1958 (which was at the time also used as a reissue label), and changed back to the Pacific Jazz label again with the Pacific Jazz New Jazz series (starting in 1959/1960).
PJ started on LP with the 1200 series (label PJ1) and changed name (and label to WP1) starting with 1243 (The Mastersounds - Kismet). Some of the earlier numbers (1200-1242) were reissued with the WP1 label.
The New Jazz series started with Lenny McBrown and the 4 Souls (PJ-1), which was released (I believe) in 1960, with the PJ2a label. The label changed to PJ2b around no. PJ80 (Gerald Wilson - Portraits). This label was only used during a short period. I think the label changed again (to PJ3) around no. 100 (two numbers were added now to the prefix: 10100).
I will post dicographies of the 1200 and New Jazz series (copied from Michael Fitzgerald's site):
1200 Series: (Post-1958 pressings of 1201-1242 have mono prefix WP-)
PJ- ST- ARTIST TITLE
1201 Gerry Mulligan California Concerts
1202 Chet Baker Sings And Plays With Bud Shank, Russ Freeman And Strings
1203 Chet Baker Jazz At Ann Arbor
1204 Laurindo Almeida Quartet Featuring Bud Shank
1205 Bud Shank & Shorty Rogers e.a.
1206 Chet Baker The Trumpet Artistry Of Chet Baker
1207 Gerry Mulligan The Original Mulligan Quartet
1208 Jack Montrose Sextet
1209 Chico Hamilton Quintet With Buddy Collette
1210 Gerry Mulligan Paris Concert (Vogue)
1211 Cy Touff His Octet And Quintet
1212 Russ Freeman Richard Twardzik Trio
1213 Bud Shank Strings And Trombones
1214 Clifford Brown, Bob Gord
1215 Bud Shank The Bud Shank Quartet
1216 Chico Hamilton Quintet In Hi-Fi
1217 John Lewis & Bill Perkins Grand Encounter: 2° East / 3° West
1218 Chet Baker In Europe = Barclay BLP 84009
1219 Bud Shank Jazz At Cal-Tech
1220 Chico Hamilton The Chico Hamilton Trio
1221 Bill Perkins On Stage: The Bill Perkins Octet
1222 Chet Baker Sings
1223 Hoagy Carmichael Hoagy Sings Carmichael
1224 1224 Chet Baker And His Crew
1225 1225 Chico Hamilton The Chico Hamilton Quintet
1226 Bud Shank & Bob Cooper Flute 'n Oboe
1227 Jim Hall Jazz Guitar
1228 1228 Gerry Mulligan Quartet Recorded In Boston At Storyville
1229 Chet Baker Big Band
1230 Bud Shank The Bud Shank Quartet
1231 Chico Hamilton Plays The Music Of Fred Katz
1232 Russ Freeman & Chet Baker Quartet
1233 Bob Brookmeyer Traditionalism Revisited
1234 Chet Baker & Art Pepper Playboys
1235 Jack Lidström Look, Dad! They're Comin' Down Our Street (In Hi-Fi)
1236 Sidney Bechet & Martial Solal Sidney Bechet Has Young Ideas = Swing LDM 30065
1237 1237 Gerry Mulligan The Gerry Mulligan Songbook Vol 1
1238 1238 Chico Hamilton South Pacific In Hi-Fi
1239 Bob Brookmeyer, Jim Hall & Jimmy Raney The Street Swingers
1240 The Montgomery Brothers And Five Others
1241 1241 Gerry Mulligan Reunion With Chet Baker
1242 1242 The Chico Hamilton Trio Introduces Freddie Gambrell \
WP- ST-
1243 1243 The Mastersounds Kismet
1244 (Various) Jazz Canto: An Anthology Of Poetry And Jazz Vol 1
1245 Charlie Mariano & Jerry Dodgion Beauties Of 1918
1246 Gil Evans Old Bottle New Wine
1247 (Various) Drums On Fire!
1248 Ravi Shankar India's Master Musician
1249 Chet Baker Pretty / Groovy ≠ PJ-1222
1250 David Allyn Let's Face The Music And Dance
1251 Bud Shank I'll Take Romance ≠ Music LPM 2052
1252 1252 The Mastersounds The Flower Drum Song
1253 1253 Annie Ross Sings A Song With Mulligan!
1254 Rolf Cahn Night At The Ash Grove
1255 Gerald Heard Reflections
1256 Freddie Gambrell Freddie Gambrell
1257 (Various) The Sound Of Big Band Jazz In Hi-Fi = JWC-514
1258 1258 Chico Hamilton Ellington Suite
1259 1259 Bud Shank & Laurindo Almeida Holiday In Brazil
1260 The Mastersounds Ballads And Blues
1261 (Various) More Drums On Fire!
1262 Freddie Gambrell & Paul Horn Mikado
1263 Buddy Bregman Swingin' Standards
1264 Lambert, Hendricks & Ross The Swingers
1265 1265 Bud Shank Slippery When Wet (soundtrack)
1266 Paul Horn Impressions
1267 Jimmy Witherspoon Singin' The Blues
1268 Gerald Heard Indications: What Is Love?
1269 1269 The Mastersounds In Concert
1270 1270 Gil Evans Great Jazz Standards
1271 1271 The Mastersounds Jazz Showcase = PJM-403 57
1272 1272 The Mastersounds The King And I = PJM-405 57
1273 Lee Konitz & Gerry Mulligan Lee Konitz With The Gerry Mulligan Quartet = PJM-406 53
1274 Shorty Petterstein The Wide Wierd World Of Shorty Petterstein: More Interviews Of Our Time
1275 Art Blakey Ritual = PJM-402
1276 1276 Annie Ross Gypsy
1277 Bud Shank & Bob Cooper Blowin' Country
1278 1278 Kimio Eto Koto Music
1279 Lord Buckley The Way Out Humor Of Lord Buckley
1280 1280 The Mastersounds Happy Holidays From Many Land
1281 1281 Laurindo Almeida & Bud Shank Latin Contrasts
1282 1282 Sarita Heredia Sarita & Co.
1283 1283 Jon Hendricks A Good Git-Together
1284 1284 The Mastersounds Play Horace Silver
1285 1285 Annie Ross A Gasser!
1286 1286 Bud Shank Flute 'n Alto
1287 Chico Hamilton The Original Chico Hamilton Quintet
1288 1288 Joe Newman Counting Five In Sweden = Metronome MLP 15018
1289 (Various) Swingin' Like 60! Vol 1: The Singers / The Swingers
1290 (Various) Swingin' Like 60! Vol 2: Around The World
1291 1291 (Various) Swingin' Like 60! Vol 3: Ballads And Blues = HFS-2
1292 1292 Eddie Condon Tiger Rag And All That Jazz
1293 1293 Gloria Smyth Like Soul!
1294 1294 Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee Blues Is A Story
1295 1295 David Allen Sings The Music Of Jerome Kern = PJM-408 57
1296 1296 Brownie McGhee, Lightnin' Hopkins, Big Joe Williams & Sonny Terry
1297 1297 Don Randi Feelin' Like Blues
1298 1298 Cannonball Adderley & Gil Evans New Bottle, Old Wine = WP-1246
1299 1299 Kimio Eto & Bud Shank Koto & Flute
Pacific Jazz New Series:
PJ- ST- ARTIST TITLE REC.
1 1 Lenny McBrowne And The 4 Souls 59
2 2 Les McCann Plays The Truth 60
3 Clifford Brown Jazz Immortal ≠ PJLP-19 54,59
4 4 Bud Shank Plays Tenor 57
5 5 Wes Montgomery Montgomeryland 58,59
6 6 Teddy Edwards It's About Time 59
7 7 Les McCann Plays The Shout 60
8 Gerry Mulligan The Genius Of Gerry Mulligan 52,54,56...58
9 9 Curtis Amy & Paul Bryant The Blues Message 60
10 10 The Modest Jazz Trio Good Friday Blues 60
11 Harry Edison The Inventive Mr. Edison
12 Paul Bryant Burnin' 61
13 (Various) This Is The Blues Vol 1
14 Teddy Edwards Sunset Eyes 59
15 Art Blakey Ritual ≠ WP-1275 57
16 16 Les McCann Les McCann Ltd. In SF 60
17 The Montgomery Brothers 57,58
18 Chet Baker & Art Pepper Picture Of Heath = PJ-1234 56
19 19 Curtis Amy & Frank Butler Groovin' Blue 61
20 Gerry Mulligan Zoot Sims Choice
21 21 Bud Shank New Groove 61
22 22 Red Mitchell Rejoice! 60
23 23 Richard Holmes Les McCann Presents The Dynamic Jazz Organ Of Richard "Groove" Holmes
24 24 Larry Wrice Wild! 60
25 25 Les McCann Pretty Lady 61
26 26 Curtis Amy & Paul Bryant Meetin' Here 61
27 27 The Jazz Crusaders Freedom Sound 61
28 28 Gil Evans America's #1 Arranger = WP-1270 59
29 29 Carmell Jones The Remarkable Carmell Jones 61
30 30 (Various) This Is The Blues Vol 2
31 31 Les McCann Sings 61
32 32 Gene Ammons & Richard Holmes Groovin' With Jug 61
33 Art Blakey Elmo Hope The Jazz Messengers And The Elmo Hope Quintet
34 34 Gerald Wilson You Better Believe It! 61
35 35 Bud Shank Barefoot Adventure (soundtrack) 61
36 36 Ron Jefferson Love Lifted Me 61
37 Richard Twardzik The Last Set 54,55
38 Lee Konitz & Gerry Mulligan Lee Konitz With The Gerry Mulligan Quartet = WP-1273
39 Chico Hamilton Spectacular! = PJ-1209 55
40 40 Cannonball Adderley & Gil Evans Roots = WP-1246 58
41 41 Kenny Dorham Inta Somethin' 61
42 Cy Touff Keester Parade ≠ PJ-1211 55
43 43 The Jazz Crusaders Lookin' Ahead 61
44 John Lewis & Bill Perkins Grand Encounter: 2° East / 3° West = PJ-1217
45 45 Les McCann Les McCann Ltd. In New York: Recorded "Live" At The Village Gate
46 46 Curtis Amy Way Down: Featuring Victor Feldman 62
47 47 Gerry Mulligan Reunion With Chet Baker = WP-1241 57
48 48 Synanon Seven Sounds Of Synanon 62
49 49 Tricky Lofton & Carmell Jones Brass Bag 62
50 Gerry Mulligan California Concerts = PJ-1201 54
51 51 Richard Holmes & Les McCann Somethin' Special 62
52 52 Clare Fischer First Time Out 62
53 53 Carmell Jones Business Meetin' 62
54 54 Amos Easton Bumble Bee Slim: Back In Town! 62
55 55 Don Ellis Essence 62
56 56 Les McCann On Time 62
57 57 The Jazz Crusaders At The Lighthouse 62
58 58 Bud Shank Bossa Nova Jazz Samba 62
59 59 Richard Holmes After Hours 61,62
60 Art Pepper The Artistry Of Pepper 56,57
61 61 Gerald Wilson Moment Of Truth 62
62 62 Curtis Amy Tippin' On Through 62
63 63 Les McCann Plays The Shampoo At The Village 61
64 64 Bud Shank Brasamba! 63
65 65 Earl Anderza Outa Sight 62
66 66 Clifford Scott & Les McCann Out Front 63
67 67 Clare Fischer Surging Ahead 62
68 68 The Jazz Crusaders Tough Talk 63
69 69 Les McCann The Gospel Truth 63
70 70 Curtis Amy & Dupree Bolton Katanga! 63
71 71 Sonny Stitt My Mother's Eyes 63
72 72 Charles Kynard Where It's At 62-63
73 73 Joe Pass Catch Me! 63
74 74 Dick Grove Little Bird Suite 63
75 Gerry Mulligan Chet Baker Timeless 52...54
76 76 The Jazz Crusaders Heat Wave 63
77 77 Clare Fischer Extension 63
78 78 Les McCann Soul Hits 63
79 79 Jim Hall Jim Hall ≠ PJ-1227 57,63
80 80 Gerald Wilson Portraits 63
81 81 Les McCann Jazz Waltz 63
82 82 Roy Haynes People 64
83 83 The Jazz Crusaders Stretchin' Out 63,64
84 84 Les McCann McCanna c.64
85 85 Joe Pass For Django 64
86 86 Monty Alexander Alexander The Great 65
87 87 The Jazz Crusaders The Thing 62,64
88 88 Gerald Wilson On Stage 65
89 89 Bud Shank And His Brazilian Friends c.65
90 90 Joao Donato Sambou Sambou
91 91 Les McCann & Gerald Wilson McCann / Wilson 64
10092 20092 The Jazz Crusaders Chile Con Soul 65
93 93 Gil Fuller & Dizzy Gillespie And The Monterey Jazz Festival Orchestra 65
10094 20094 Monty Alexander Spunky c.65
10095 20095 Albert Mangelsdorff Now, Jazz Ramwong (CBS) 63,64
10096 20096 Clare Fischer Manteca! 66
10097 20097 Les McCann Spanish Onions c.64
10098 20098 The Jazz Crusaders Live At Lighthouse 1966 66
10099 20099 Gerald Wilson Feelin' Kinda Blues 65
100 (Various) On Mike: A Decade Of Pacific Jazz 52-62
10101 20101 Gil Fuller Night Flight 65-66
10102 20102 Gerry Mulligan Paris Concert ≠ PJ-1210 54
10103 20103 Zimbo Trio Zimbo Trio c.65
10104 20104 Wes Montgomery Easy Groove 57,58
10105 20105 Richard Holmes Tell It Like It 'Tis 61,62
10106 20106 The Jazz Crusaders Talk That Talk 66
10107 20107 Les McCann A Bag Of Gold 60,63,c.64
10108 20108 Chico Hamilton Chico Hamilton 58,59
10109 20109 Richard Holmes Richard "Groove" Holmes 61,62
10110 20110 Bud Shank And The Sax Section 66
10111 20111 Gerald Wilson The Golden Sword: Torero Impressions In Jazz 66
10112 20112 Don Ellis ‘Live’ At Monterey! 66
10113 20113 Buddy Rich Swingin' New Big Band 66
10114 20114 Zimbo Trio The Brazilian Sound c.66
10115 20115 The Jazz Crusaders The Festival Album 66
10116 20116 Tommy Peltier The Jazz Corps Under The Direction Of Tommy Peltier c.66
10117 20117 Buddy Rich Big Swing Face 67
10118 20118 Gerald Wilson Live And Swinging 67
10119 20119 Booker Ervin Structurally Sound 66
10120 20120 Les McCann From The Top Of The Barrel 61
10121 20121 Victor Feldman Plays Everything In Sight 66-67
10122 20122 Roger Kellaway Spirit Feel 67
10123 20123 Don Ellis Live In 3⅔/4 Time 66,67
10124 20124 The Jazz Crusaders Uh Huh c.67
10125 20125 Johnny Lytle Done It Again 66-67
10126 20126 Buddy Rich The New One! 67
20127 Booker Ervin Booker 'n' Brass 67
10128 20128 Victor Feldman The Venezuela Joropo 66
10129 20129 Johnny Lytle Swingin' At The Gate 67
10130 20130 Wes Montgomery Kismet = WP-1243 58
10131 20131 The Jazz Crusaders Lighthouse 68 c.68
10132 20132 Gerald Wilson Everywhere 67
20133 Buddy Rich Mercy, Mercy 68
20134 Jean-Luc Ponty More Than Meets The Ear 69
20135 Gerald Wilson California Soul 68
20136 The Jazz Crusaders Powerhouse 68
20137 Wes Montgomery A Portrait Of Wes Montgomery 57...59
20138 Chet Baker Plays and Sings 53...56
20139 Clifford Brown Jazz Immortal = PJ-3 54,59
20140 Gerry Mulligan The Genius Of Gerry Mulligan = PJ-8 52,54,56...58
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20142 Lee Konitz & Gerry Mulligan Konitz Meets Mulligan = PJ-38 53
20143 Chico Hamilton Spectacular! = PJ-39 55
20144 John Lewis & Bill Perkins Grand Encounter: 2° East / 3° West = PJ-44
20145 Gerry Mulligan California Concerts = PJ-50 54
20146 Gerry Mulligan
Chet Baker Timeless = PJ-75 52...54
20147 Richard Holmes Welcome Home 68
20148
20149 (Various) This Is The Blues Vol 1
20150 Barbara Dane Amos Easton Lightnin' Hopkins etc. This Is The Blues vol 2
20151
20152 Wilton Felder Bullitt 69
20153 Richard Holmes Workin' On A Groovy Thing 69
20154 Bobby Bryant Earth Dance 69
20155 Ernie Watts Planet Love c.69
20156 Jean-Luc Ponty Electric Connection 69
20157 Bud Shank & Michel Legrand The Windmills Of Your Mind 69
20158 Buddy Rich Buddy And Soul 69
20159 Bobby Bryant The Jazz Excursion Into "Hair" 69
20160 Gerald Wilson Eternal Equinox 69
20161 Wilbert Longmire Revolution c.68
20162 Freddy Robinson The Coming Atlantis c.68
20163 Richard Holmes X-77 c.69
20164
20165 The Jazz Crusaders Lighthouse 1969 69
20166 Les McCann More Or Les McCann
20167 Klaus Doldinger Blues Happening 68
20168 Jean-Luc Ponty The Jean-Luc Ponty Experience 69
20169 Buddy Rich The Best Of Buddy Rich 67,68
20170 Bud Shank Let It Be 69-70
20171 Richard Holmes Come Together c.70
20172 Jean-Luc Ponty King Kong: Jean-Luc Ponty Plays The Music Of Frank Zappa 69
20173 Les McCann New From The Big City 61
20174 Gerald Wilson The Best Of The Gerald Wilson Orchestra
20175 The Jazz Crusaders The Best Of The Jazz Crusaders
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1.Green Dolphin Street
2.I'm Also A Person
3.I Had The Craziest Dream
4.Arriverderci
5.Brown Cow
found the last 1/2 in the art papper discog. but i would enjoy having info on the 1st half if you would be so kind/ thankx!
Actually the tracks you mention are on the first side.
Side 2 has the following tracks:
1. Anyhow
2. Julie Is Her Name
3. Aplomb
4. Sunset Eyes
5. J.S.
According to the liner notes of the CD reissue (by Leonard Feather) on GNP the tracks on side 1 were recorded on July 20, 1957, while the second session (side 2) was recorded on March 6, 1959.
Lineup second session: Sheldon (tp), Chet Baker (tp), Art Pepper (as), Herb Geller (as), Harold Land (ts), Stu Williamson (vt), Paul Moer (p), Buddy Clark (b) and Mel Lewis (ds).
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PM sent on the Vito Price LP.
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A couple of years ago George Benson was playing at the North Sea Jazz Festival in The Hague. He was playing on the same evening as the Lonnie Smith Quartet, but his show was scheduled earlier then Lonnie's. Suddenly, during Lonnie Smith's concert, Benson appeared on the stage, replaced Peter Bernstein, and played one of the greatest concerts I ever attended (but for a really small audience). The guy still can play his guitar!
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http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-BABY-FACE-WILLETTE...1QQcmdZViewItem
stumbled across this ebay item and as i hadn't seen the cover before... a single caled dad's theme...
I thought there was a Chess recording that wasn't issued at the time, along with a couple of Vee Jay 45s that I have or have received burns of ... or now that I think about it, didn't Chess end up owning the Argo/Cadet catalog? Because I notice that "Dad's Theme" was on his Mo' Rock album and "Behind the 8 Ball" was the title track of the other album. So I'm guessing they took two tunes from different albums and put them out as a single.
Argo was always a Chess-owned label.
This 45 is on the Chess International label. No indication of where it was manufactured, but I would guess not the USA; probably Europe. It also has a picture sleeve. I think picture sleeves became popular in France earlier than in Britain. But only for the most popular artists. It would have been madness for a Willette 45 to have a picture sleeve in the sixties in Britain. But in France, Argo was issued by Barclay - my LP of "Mo rock" is on Barclay.
By the look of the label, I'd guess it was a mid-seventies reissue, perhaps even as late as the All-platinum days.
But that prompts a really pertinent question:
Where (and precisely when) was there a market for this stuff in that particular period? The Acid Jazz thing didn't get going (and it was in Britain, where this wasn't issued) until the early eighties. Prior to that, the world was awash with disco and Willette's music didn't fit.
Ah, but maybe it did. Maybe this really was a US made disc, made by All-Platinum, because some DJ was using those LP tracks for scratching. Timescale would fit. But were there Bronx DJs using this type of material for scratching in those days?
MG
The single was issued by Artone Records, a Dutch company which (re)issued records on the Chess label in the Netherlands from '56 - '69 (but also Verve and Prestige (Funckler)). Judging the label, the single was probably released around '65.
I have never seen this single before, although I have to confess I never look at singles in recordshops or -fairs.
MG, perhaps not so strange it was released (perhaps for jukeboxes etc) because this kind of instrumental music was quite popular at that time.
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There is a record on the CP label by singer Joe Carroll, which has Grant Green on guitar. It's a live session which is not very well recorded, but quite energetic. The Slide Hampton record is great, IMO.
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Thanks.
After a random check on my Impulse! it happens that I have very few 'shiny' label, but later 'four logos' reissues. They sounds OK and I paid generally 50/60 $ for them so I presume it should be fine.
Porcy,
I absolutely agree, the early titles with 'matte' label sound superb too (like the shiny ones). And keep in mind that first pressings of the 'four digit' titles (9101 - ...) always have matte labels.
By the way, if you ever find promo copies of the 'four logo' issues, buy them (white label, no mentioning of 'product of ABC Paramount Records'). I have a couple of these, they sound incredible!
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I have Am-Par on the back of cover, not on labels)
Details please.
General "rule" is:
- first pressings of A-1 - A-90 (?) should have labels with shiny - instead of matte - surface.
- labels of first 20 - 25 (?) titles should have "A Product Of AM-PAR Record Corp." printed on the bottom of the label. Later labels have "A product of ABC Paramount Records Inc."
Perhaps Michel has more precise information?
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I think we will soon get used to see those Coltrane on Impulse reach higher prices than before...
It is a bit like Kind Of Blue: not a rare record at all, but there is such high demand that it always fetches rather high prices.
I have seen 100's of copies of A Love Supreme or Ballads being sold on eBay the last couple of years; they never sell below $100-150, though.
Having said that, it is not so easy to find decent copies of real first pressings (shiny label; "Ampar" imprint on the bottom of label) of the first couple of Coltranes on Impulse!
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By the way, the original liner notes mention Morgan's death. Was this an album that was given a catalogue number (MG 12164) at the time, but like several Blue Note albums wasn't actually released until much later? The liner notes only mention Morgan as the trumpeter on the entire album, but if those notes were written in the 70s, I guess noone remembered any longer what really happened on the sessions.
I think you are right. Although I have the other original vinyl LP's of Fuller on Savoy, I have never seen this one.
On a Japanese site the release year 1976 was mentioned for this title.
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Dayton Selby, a DYNAMITE organist, only recorded once, to my knowledge.
He seems to have made a couple of records in the 50's-60's:
- Design Records (DLP-37): Dayton Selby Trio featuring Willene Barton, 1959 (LP)
- ABP Paramount (10030): Dayton Selby Trio - Do A Little / La (Dee Dah), 1959 (45).
He is on a single of Ronnie Underwood on Prestige (don't know who that is):
- PR 45-352 Ronnie Underwood - Night Jet c/w Long Walk Home
Dayton Selby (org) Walter Longley, Ronnie Underwood (g) Russell Annaken (b) Alvin Rogers (d) 3 female singers (vo)
NYC, March 10, 1965
- Long Walk Home
- Night Jet
He might even have recorded a couple of LP's in the 70's under the name of the Dayton Selby Sound. Couldn't find any info on these.
Regards,
Peter
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Were all nine of the "colorized later" Reid Miles covers released on LP?? And if so, domestically, or only as imports? (and if so, from where?) See my HUGE post above, with the nine covers.
I'm about 90% sure I've seen an LP of the Leo Parker (about 8 years ago), and as best I can recall, it was a French 'DMM' issue. (90% sure it was 'DMM' - but only about 70% sure it was French. I think I bought it for somebody here on the board, and sent it to them - come to think of it.)
Bringing this up because someday I'd LOVE to find a full-size LP of the Sam Rivers date, as much for the cover as anything.
All nine were released - in the 80's - in the US (and in France as well).
Here is another title which has been released in the 80's, with a jacket "a la Reid Miles":
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all right, let's get serious Soul Stream - name some other instances of soul jazz - it's a good idea, but Donaldson's idea is all cliche and false feeling -
soul jazz? Julius Hemphill's hard blues - Ornette playing a ballad at Town Hall - Monk playing a slow blues -
not the repetition of a string of tired phrases by a guy who is not, honestly speaking, much better than an ok bebopper - Lou always played all the right notes, but not much more, in my opinion.
more soul? Dave Schildkraut; Art Pepper; Ernie Henry;
Cannonball on just about anything -
NOT, the way I see it, blues cliches - a la Oscar Peterson -
Bird on any blues or ballad, YES -
I could not disagree more.
Actually before I got into jazz (in the 80's) I was a hard core blues lover: mainly Chicago blues, a la Muddy, Wolf, Little Walter, Otis Rush and so on. Later I started appreciating jazz, starting with "blues flavoured" jazz, such as Jimmy Smith, Grant Green, Stanley Turrentine, Kenny Burrell (Midnight Blue!). After that my taste developed into hard bop and - at some point - even more experimental kinds of jazz.
However, I still have a soft spot for blues and blues-oriented jazz.
A lot of musicians in jazz, and even in pop/rock, think they are able to play the blues, as blues has a simple chord structure.
In fact a lot of these "so called" blues often had nothing to do with blues at all.
In my opinion Lou Donaldson really knows how to play (and even sing!) the blues, in fact he IS a real bluesman!
Regards,
Peter
IMPULSE AM-PAR pressings
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I allways thought only the first 25 titles should have AM-PAR RECORD CORP printed on the label to be a first pressing. Never saw Coltrane/Ellington (A30) w AM-PAR on the label. Those first pressings indeed sound amazing!