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Dan, really sorry I missed out this month, looks like some great stuff here. I'm still going to give a listen when I get time, even though I missed out on the fun. Have been listening to some Palmieri lately but don't know that particular album on track 1.
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On 1/17/2023 at 2:45 PM, felser said:
I sometimes repeat myself when trying to answer from my $%*& phone instead of my beloved laptop!
😄😄😄
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Do you repeat yourself when under stress??
(Let me know if you don't get King Crimson references, but I have a feeling you might... 😉)
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John, again, my apologies for not posting here sooner as "life" has gotten in the way once again. But this was a FANTASTIC BFT! Thanks so much for putting it together. When I have more time I'm going to go through this again and see what I need to add to the 'buy" pile. I've already bought the LaBelle record. 😎
And I actually got the Michael White correct! Amazing! It was fun to do this on video with Thom... he definitely ID'd a lot more than I did but it was just a blast to listen and talk through it.
Thanks very much!
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I wish I'd had time this month to be more a part of the discussion! I only just now downloaded the video of Thom and I listening and need to refresh my memory as to what we said!
I will say this-- that first tune (which I now know) has been haunting me. Something really magical about the way it starts and evolves. Some fantastic stuff here overall, as expected, and I'll be revisiting just about all of this music. Thank you John!
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How about 2 tubas?
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Not much of a reveal as almost all of these were guessed! But here they are in one convenient list.
Thanks to all who participated and shared your thoughts!
1. Kahil El'zabar Ritual Trio w/ Pharoah Sanders - Miles' Mode
I just had to put some Pharoah in this one.
2. Ron Carter - Rufus
https://www.discogs.com/master/365021-Ron-Carter-Etudes
A long-time favorite of mine. Definitely an unusual front line on this one, as some noted.
3. Eddie Harris - The River Nile
https://www.discogs.com/master/669461-Eddie-Harris-For-Bird-And-Bags
Love this track! Though sadly the rest of the album is not in a similar vein except for one other.
4. Buster Williams - Pinnacle
https://www.discogs.com/master/286850-Buster-Williams-Pinnacle
This album doesn't seem to get much attention but I think it's great. Buster grooves hard and I love the 70s vocal ensemble bits throughout.
5. Onaje Allan Gumbs - Waiting… In Love
https://www.discogs.com/master/1263682-Onaje-Allan-Gumbs-Onaje
One of only two tracks nobody guessed! Some of you probably know Onaje from many Muse and Strata East sessions (including the track above). This solo piano record was a recent discovery for me.
6. Eddie Lockjaw Davis - Three Deuces
This was easy for many of you but believe it or not I've only gotten into Lockjaw pretty recently. This track is a burner for sure.
7. New Air w/ Cassandra Wilson - Side Step
https://www.discogs.com/master/40844-New-Air-Featuring-Cassandra-Wilson-Air-Show-No-1
I just love the way this track evolves. And Wilson's vocals are fantastic.
8. Vic Feldman - Evening in Paris
https://www.discogs.com/master/557087-Vic-Feldman-On-Vibes
This is here because of Harold Land! Not to slight the rest of the band, who are in top form.
9. Piano Choir - A Whole New World
https://www.jazzdisco.org/the-piano-choir/catalog/#the-piano-choir-pccd-9501
Was hard to pick one from this, but I went with the Disney tune. The whole disc is excellent. Not an easy one to find now, but let me know if you want to hear it.
10. Kip Hanrahan - Shadow Song
https://www.discogs.com/master/141310-Kip-Hanrahan-Verticals-Currency
Again, this entire record is outstanding and I highly recommend it. Unreal lineup too.
11. Anthony Davis/Jay Hoggard - The Clothed Woman
https://www.discogs.com/master/698559-Anthony-Davis-2-Jay-Hoggard-Under-The-Double-Moon
Magical playing from this duo.
12. Django Bates - Discovering Metal
https://www.discogs.com/master/597893-Django-Bates-Summer-Fruits-And-Unrest
Bates is kind of a wizard…a brilliant composer and performer IMHO. And the sense of humor is most definitely intentional. Check out his version of New York, New York, if you dare… https://youtu.be/N19rEz26Ufw
13. Shadow Vignettes - Quiet Resolution
https://www.discogs.com/master/1199675-Shadow-Vignettes-Birth-Of-A-Notion
I can't come up with words to do this one justice. So I'll just say: Ed Wilkerson, Rita Warford, and Light Henry Huff!
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Last call for guesses on track 5 and track 12! I'm pretty sure everything else was ID'd long ago. Oh well. I'll make it harder next time. 😉
Here's a hint on track 5-- the pianist appears elsewhere on this BFT.
And here's an impossible hint on track 12-- the leader played for some time with a drummer, who played with a bass player, who once played on two tracks by the saxophonist on track 3.
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Oh, and I meant to say thanks to all who chimed in on the Chico Hamilton recommendations. More to check out! 👍
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Hey all! Apologies for vanishing, crazy week here. I've been trying to catch up and it looks like you all made quick work of this. I think almost everything has been ID'd? Except maybe for that track near the end that not many people liked. I forget which number, I don't have it in front me right at the moment.
On 11/4/2022 at 2:11 PM, randyhersom said:Jack Bruce came to mind, and there does seem to be a Kip Hanrahan album with Jack Bruce and David Murray.
Yes! And it's a favorite album of mine. I have to give Hanrahan's other LPs another chance, but I don't remember any of them immediately grabbing me quite the way this one did. I'm a big Jack Bruce fan, number one, and it certainly only helps matters that Murray plays his ass off on this record too.
On 11/8/2022 at 11:59 AM, JSngry said:Yep! Good digging, everyone who figured this out! I do own a copy of this coveted CD, bought back when the Piano Choir actually had a website for 10 mins. This must have been around the early 2000s though I can't remember exactly. It was very old school, I think I had to send an email through the website, to which I think maybe Stanley Cowell's wife responded? And a couple weeks later the CDs arrived. The other disc I ordered besides Handscapes 95 was a CD reissue of the first Piano Choir CD (minus a couple tracks that wouldn't fit on one disc). That one apparently is also pretty hard to find. No idea how many of these were made but I'm guessing not a lot.
On 11/8/2022 at 2:49 PM, felser said:Some thoughts on The Piano Choir. Yes, would be nice to hear that third one. The second Strata-East album was actually fairly awful, a huge disappointment (as were so many of the later Strata-East albums after the incredible first rush of releases they had). I always liked the first one, had the 2LP vinyl back in the day, picked up the CD when it came out. Very disappointed that they dropped 36 minutes of the vinyl on the CD (though I'll admit it was the right 36 minutes to drop if they had to drop something). Their complete recordings would make a nice 3CD set for some enterprising company like Corbett vs. Dempsey.
Ah, I guess I didn't read your comment clearly before I responded above. Someone else who has the Handscapes CD! High five! I'm also disappointed about the missing tracks, I really love every track from the initial release (luckily I have the LPs too). As far as the second LP, I agree it doesn't compare to the first but after my initial disappointment I've grown to like a lot of it. But *very* different from that first record.
13 hours ago, Chuck Nessa said:This?
Whoa! I need this! I see cadnor.com has it... sounds like this is worth picking up?
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Sorry all, life has temporarily gotten in the way but I'll post more comments/responses soon!
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On 11/1/2022 at 5:18 PM, Dub Modal said:
1 - Reminds me of a Chico Hamilton record with the hollerin' but it ain't him. I've heard this before but can't place it. The drums and bass really drive the hell out of this song and I like it.
Yes, they sure do. I gather you've seen the IDs so far so you know it's not Chico. But since you mention it, I would appreciate a Chico recommendation! What d'ya got?
2 - I like the song but for some reason the drumming style seems out of place, maybe a bit antiquated for the composition style? The bass player is on another planet in comparison. On that I'm thinking the drums hold the song's development back a little. Going to be a travesty of a take of the drummer is a Rushmore-esque legend but that's a BFT hot take for you.
I do love your hot take on Tony Williams! Haha! I have definitely said some not very kind things about some great players here myself.
3 - Familiar quote by the sax at the head which leads into a jumbled mess that straightens out quickly. Kind of reminds me of those Tyner 70s compositions but it's not him...there's a bit of a lull at the 3-3.5 minute mark, seems the players are being deferential a bit. The piano player comes in to bring it home but the sax/ensemble could step up a bit more I think...good song though.
Jim ID'd the main artist on this, but I think the rest of the band would be hard to ID (for me too), as they're not super well-known players...or, at least in one case, known for something very different from this.
4 - I've heard this one too. From the Black Jazz label maybe? The Awakening? Nah...The electric piano and drums carry the vibe and the entire production. Is that a Bari sax in there? I like it
Definitely in the Black Jazz vein!
5 - Nice tune. Solo piano is a nice change of pace.
I do like this pianist a lot, and had only heard him in a supporting role for quite some time before finding this one.
6 - Old school. Bass player separate from the B3 means it's got to be Shirley Scott because it ain't McDuff. And if it's Scott, the sax is either Turrentine or Jaws. I'll go with Jaws. Scott, man she is almost ALMOST going off the res with with some of those notes. Keeps it anchored though. Who's the other horn player though?
You got it! And you know the other horn player now too.
7 - This is outside of what I typically enjoy because the vocals interfere instead of add to the song. The horn/drums/bass trio plays very well on the other hand. This is something that sounds like it would work better in a live setting rather than this recording. At least to me...I keep thinking about David Lee Roth "I got it made, got it made, got it made...I'm hot for teacher" with the cadence of these vocals. Wouldn't be surprised if DLR lifted it from this song actually.
That's interesting... now that you know the answer, I bet you'll agree that DLR most likely has NOT ever heard this!
8 - James Bond theme song-ish intro. Is it a Shelly Manne date? Breezy composition but cohesively played. If not Manne (or even if it is) is that Tjader on vibes?
You had the right coast, and I do hear what you mean about the Bond-ness of it.
9 - Big wall of attack on this song and I think recording limitations hinder how fully the sound of what they're playing comes through. Previn? Classical elements are there.
Yes, not the best recording but I love this group and will take anything I can get!
10 - Is this Walt & Sun Ra? Can't be...can it? Has some barrell house or rag time throwback quality to it. But then goes just far enough from that to indicate an influence on more free styles of playing, esp from the pianist. Interesting song.
This has been ID'd by Jim also, along with just about everything else
11 - Real Latin style in that I don't hear a trap kit - full percussive set being used. Vocals are disappointing. Playing otherwise is not.
The vocals (or, the vocalist, more accurately) are what drew me to this originally. Well, that and the tenor player. And a few of the other guys.
This has been at least partially ID'd but I'm not sure the vocalist has been mentioned by name.
12 - Reminiscent of a Hal Russell style. Not sure it's him but it's right there with some of the NRG material. Most aren't going to dig that electric guitar style. I kind of like the freak out aspect of this one. Short song probably because it has to be.
A good reminder that I need to check out some Hal Russell. Have heard only enough to understand that comparison. This is absolutely meant to be a fun and funny freak-out (if the insane singing towards the end didn't give that away...).
13 - Very nice change of pace. Didn't expect vocals actually. Kind of a downer but not a deal breaker. The ensemble backing her works it seamlessly. A bunch of pros, or a pro at the conductor controls. Again, the kind of thing that would work better in a live setting but here the recording doesn't diminish the feel or emotional power. No guesses but this is great.
Once again, Jim ID'd this, and the emotional power of this one really resonates with me. LOVE this track.
Thanks for this one! Really enjoyable and interesting experience.
Thanks so much for checking it out!
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On 11/1/2022 at 4:20 PM, tkeith said:
I suppose I'd better get in here before all the glory is gone.
Track 01 - Easy*. Can't miss Ari. With Kahil doing his best impersonation of Elvin. There's nothing I don't love about this. And, with due respect to Pharoah (and if you've known me 3 seconds, you know I absolutely LOVE Pharoah), this is absolute ownership. Pharoah acquits himself well, but Ari just... wow. Kahil certainly gets it. And let's not sleep on that bassist from Children of the Corn. Track 3 from this.
*[inside joke between me and Tim]
Nailed it, as of course you would!
Track 02 - The head me thinking Ahmed Abdullah, but that tenor is throwing me. Sounds like Eric Alexander if somebody pissed him off (in a good way). Not Ahmed Abdullah. I'm liking the drums most prominently, but I can hear what you like about the bassist, who sure as hell sounds like Ron Carter at times. Wait, that's gotta be Tony Williams. Second listen... Art Farmer? What? Okay, sleuthing gets me to the answer, but I"m not posting that because I didn't KNOW it. That tenor player should take my comment as a HUGE compliment. Literally never cared for the guy, but this sure as hell works.
Correct again. This one has been a favorite of mine since I started listening to jazz, and I agree with you about the tenor player!
Track 03 - Oddly, this track doesn't load into Apple Music for me, but I can play it in preview pane. Sax has a little Eddie Harris going for it, but the rest of it is like CTI mixed with that odd Trane 4tet recording of Nature Boy. I like it, but WHAT is going on here!?!? Now, that's GOT to be Eddie. Man, this is KILLIN'! Almost has the vibe of Joe McPhee's Nation Time. Love this.
Yes, Eddie! I too love the vibe of this tune. I've had it only on a compilation for many years and only recently found the actual album it came from.
Track 04 - I mean, rhodes, that Guilherme Franco percussion vibe... I'm in . Man, this is bitching my brew. I mean, has to be Bennie Maupin, doesn't it? Well, that's Woody Shaw, so I'm probably on point with Guilherme Franco. Okay, another sleuth job. Under my radar so I'm not posting the answer, again, because I didn't *know* it. Not Maupin, but I'm still comfortable with what got me to that guess.
I would have guessed Maupin myself, no question.
Track 05 - I don't think I know this but it's lovely. Touches on some Mal Waldron feel at the end, but seems to lack that "thing" he has.
A recent discovery for me. You know the piano player, though you may not KNOW him, if you know what I mean. And yes, I just used the word know three times in that sentence.
Track 06 - Now, as many times as we've hung, we've never talked about stuff like this. Obviously Lockjaw. Ah! Jerome Richardson for sure, so this is from The Cookbook (one of them). JR works his butt off here, but man... that's Lockjaw.
Yep!
Track 07 - Something marchy about those drums. For sure I've heard this, but don't recall you playing it. Marchy + loose... Blackwell? Oh, wait. No. It's Air. Forget the track, but man, when I hear this, I sure hear Fred's influence on you. Man, Threadgill can write! Not to mention play. Really love his gritty tenor sound. Not an ounce of bullshit anywhere near this music. This is rapidly turning into one of my favorite BFTs.
That's nice of you to say about Fred's influence! I think this was maybe the 3rd Air album I bought, after the Montreal Jazz Fest album and "Air Mail." Threadgill is still the man!
Track 08 - Not sure, but I love everything about it. Man, that interlude sounds like something else... Jesus this cooks! Second listen. Okay, that's definitely Harold Land. Third listen -- Rosolino, put the ranch on it. OH! CHRIST! Vic Feldman on Vibes! How dare you, sir!
I dare!
Track 09 - Okay, lots of piano, so it's gotta be the piano choir (because I'll eat my hat if that's not Cowell doing his Tatum impression). Man, this must have been something to see. AND they don't get in one another's way. Amazing stuff.
It *is* the Piano Choir, but not from either of the Strata-East LPs. In fact I don't think many people realize this recording even exists. Do you know the tune?
Track 10 - I mean, it's Mal. Or is it. Could be Ibrahim, too. Now I'm thinking Embryo, so back to Mal. Hell, I give up.
None of the above, but someone else has ID'd this below your post, I think (still catching up with posts)...
Track 11 - That opening vibe reeks of Ari Brown. Nope. Now you're just being difficult. Too commercial to be what I thought it was. Wait, that sure sounds like David Murray (because it is). What the hell IS this?
It is definitely David Murray! Jim & Randy have ID'd the artist. This is an all-time favorite record of mine.
Track 12 - Well, this escalated quickly. Heavily commercial featuring the unemployment stick. I mean, I don't hate it, but I could if pushed. Make that a bari, maybe a little John Surman, and I could be all in. I just loathe that flashy clarinet. Wait now, that could certainly be Sonny Sharrock, so I'm coming around. Yeah, if we can agree to blast the unemployment stick to another planet, I'll get onboard.
No Sharrock, and I'm not surprised this wasn't a winner for you, due to the unemployment stick especially.
Commercial, I suppose, but actually this record is pretty out there overall. If it's not obvious, there's definitely a sense of humor at play here (and elsewhere on the album, but most definitely on this track in particular). This is one of the few tracks I don't think anyone has ID'd yet.
Track 13 - Ominous. Then optimistic. Then slightly maudlin in a romantic vein. Okay, we need to pick a focus here. I'm warming to it to the point I want to like it, but... I just can't quite get to the vocalist. And the background... there's something that makes it feel like the Oscars' band. I just can't get to her. There's something almost Pharoah-ish about that sax player, so I'm thinking it's that Chicago guy that fools me and makes me think he's Pharoah. I see why you like it, but I just can't get fully onboard on this one -- it's the combination of the vocals and the poppy band behind it all. I'll never remember the guy's name I'm thinking of, but he was on a BFT within the past year and I didn't know him but you did.
This has been ID'd, as discussed last night! Definitely a divisive track so far, but for me personally, this one hits very hard.
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On 11/1/2022 at 1:26 PM, T.D. said:
Thanks, enjoyed listening, all good and no clinkers.
Don't have much in the way of ID or substance to add to the discussion (apart from Jaws in 6 and I should know the players in 8 - Art Farmer comes to mind), so will stay away from the thread for a while to avoid spoilers.
Will be listening more and researching.
Thanks for listening! Glad you enjoyed it. You're of course correct on #6, but on #8 there is no trumpet. I won't say any more than that since you don't want spoilers.
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21 minutes ago, felser said:
BFT 224
1 – “Miles Mode”, certainly sounds like it’s the drummer’s album – he’s an animal, whoever he is. Spectacular version! First tenor soloist sounds like he has the Coltrane-era Pharoah Sanders thing down, and second tenor soloist also really good. Thought at first this must be the Idris Muhammad version, but it’s not. I need this!
There's a very good reason the first tenor soloist has the Pharoah Sanders thing down.
And yes, it is the drummer's date.
2 – This is good stuff. Another cut without a pianist. Very facile bass player, with those double stops and all.
I won't give too much away about this one yet, but I'm betting someone will ID it pretty quickly. We'll see. I do love the bass player!
3 – This is amazing! No guesses. I need this even more than I need #1! I will be revisiting this cut often.
Same, this one hits all the right spots for me.
4 – Love the concept, but not so much the execution. Has to be from the 70’s. Don’t think it’s Airto and Flora, but whoever it is memorized their records. I like the trumpet solo.
Definitely 1970s, yes. Not Airto and Flora.
5 – Pretty, though it fades into the background some for me. I do like it. Very nice touch on the piano.
This one is a relatively recent discovery for me, but a piano player I was familiar with.
6 – Older, I assume 50’s. Well done for what it is. I enjoy this, but not in my wheelhouse. Lockjaw?
Yes indeed, Lockjaw! ID'd above.
7 – Verve-era Betty Carter? Fabulous, whatever it is.
Not Betty Carter.
8 – Solid, so good. That is one clean trombone player! Interesting that there are vibes rather than piano on something that sounds this straight ahead. I have to think this is sitting on my shelves somewhere, as these are obviously big-time musicians.
Again trying to be careful of what I say this early in the game, I will just say I would call them big-time musicians.
9 – Piano duo, which is generally not a favorite format of mine. I recognize the song, but the title isn’t coming to mind.
Will be interesting to see who gets this one...
10 – Well done for what it is, but again, I’m generally not a big duet guy. I like my rhythm sections!
I hear you. I have a feeling these guys might be in your wheelhouse though.
11 –Vocal is lost on me. Band can play, but not something I would choose to listen to.
The vocal is one of the things I personally love about this one. But there's more as well...
12 – This is the Carla Bley type of thing, which is generally (and in this case, specifically) lost on me. Guitar player especially gets on my nerves. Worst cut by far on the BFT for me.
I figured this would be a divisive track!
13 – The singer ruins the cut for me, to me painfully bad. Her Broadway credentials would seem to be in order. The sax solo also doesn’t do much for me. The composition and orchestration are beautiful (though the lyrics sounded a little loopy once I started paying attention to them). Looking forward to reveal to see if anyone else has done this song.
Again, to me the singer is what I love about this one. (See comments above). Well, the whole thing I love... to me it represents completely going for it, losing control, giving in to the moment, etc etc. The "painfully bad" stuff is most definitely intentional.
Thanks for the stimulating BFT! I liked the earliest cuts best, not sure if that means anything. Can’t wait for some of the reveals, especially #3, also #1,2,7,8.
My pleasure! Thanks for listening! Always fun to do these.
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2 hours ago, JSngry said:
It seems like there might be an element of parody in there, like of the whole Norman Connors thing. Maybe, But the best parody is that in which you can never quite be sure, and this is definitely that. SO theatrical! I think there's a video somewhere of this in performance, this and "Honky Tonk Bud". I think...
No matter, Ed Wilkerson puts things together like few others. He should be a household name!
Perhaps parody, but what I hear in this track is the beauty of the singer completely losing control, in perfect, uninhibited expression of the lyrics. And what a gorgeous arrangement. Absolutely theatrical, and I might even be tempted to use the word "EPIC"... although that feels too impersonal, maybe.
1 hour ago, BillF said:Track 6: Lockjaw. So is the organist Shirley Scott?
Track 8: Frank Rosolino and Harold Land?
Correct on all counts. Track 8 is neither Rosolino or Land's date, but yes, they are the horn players.
1 hour ago, JSngry said:Jaws and Jerome Richardson. Cookbook. Yes, Shirley Scott.
Correct!
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Ha! I feel like this happens every time I do this... the track I think is the "surprise" is the one that's guessed right off the bat.
I thought some of the first several tracks were the easiest to ID, but bam, you went right to #13 and nailed it. Well done! I love this track so much, it makes me cry. Love the vocal and that soprano solo is off the charts.
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Hi all,
I'm very pleased to present this month's BFT. I'm more interested in your impressions of the music, good or bad, than whether you can actually identify anything (I'm not always very good at that part myself).
Also, a note for those who might think this BFT is not for them after listening to track 1-- skip ahead and I bet you'll find something you like.
Enjoy!
http://thomkeith.net/index.php/blindfold-tests/
Thanks to Thom for keeping this train a 'rollin!
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8 minutes ago, JSngry said:
I got the Olly Wilson and William Fischer sets as well as the Melle. All three were extremely satisfying.
The Creel Pone label specializes in historical electronic music and stuff that lives in that neighborhood. Packaging is thorough, but dictated by budget, if you know what I mean.
If I was totally new to electronic music of this vintage, this would be a GREAT place to start. Much better than collecting it piecemeal from old LPs and obscure labels and such.
I need to see if they have anything for Ilhan Mimaroglu. I've got a few things on various lables, and he is another interesting guy.
They do! I just passed by this one and remembered his name from that collaboration w/ Freddie Hubbard that I still need to get...
And I'll give a listen to those 2 you mentioned. Good to know about these, thanks!
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I'm kinda fascinated by that "Creel Pone" label... are you familiar with any of the others? I'm into adventurous listening but most of what I see here is completely new to me.
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I'm going to go back and re-listen to some of these now, especially track 6... I know Gil Melle only by name, have never heard him but did not think he sounded anything like this! I also need more Freddie Roach in my life and gotta check out that Sonny album! Thanks for a great BFT!
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I listened to #2 again, the bass playing is definitely solid and it sounds like whoever it is, they're certainly a jazzist. But I don't have any illumination beyond that. I will say, that jingle is firmly lodged in my brain now though. Thanks?
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10 hours ago, felser said:
Did anybody sign up for November 2022?
Yes indeed, I'm up!
25 minutes ago, JSngry said:Crap, I didn't read. Tim already has October. I'll gladly take November. Please.
Sorry for the confusion, which was all mine.
Honestly Jim, if you want to switch months next year I'm totally fine with that too! I only picked October to change slightly from this year... no other reason than that really.
FS: 187 "A" Jazz CD's, Abercrombie to Ayler and lots more
in Offering and Looking For...
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Oh boy. This is gonna be dangerous. And this is only the "A"s!! 😮
Would you consider putting some aside and waiting to ship until after we get a few more letters in? Not saying all the way to Z, I know that would be ridiculous. But if that's a pain I totally understand.
But I do at least need that Muhal/Amina Claudine Myers CD. 🙂