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CHRISTIERN (MY MANSKY), How the fuck do you find time to write books when you play Cyber Cop on every Jazz Board on the internet?? I know it's hard for you to accept but..NOT everybody agrees with your thought processes. I am impressed in the way you manage to manipulate Board administrators into thinking you're discriminated against and correct on all disagreements. And going anonymous here was a brilliant tactic. It's just sooo God Damn obvious when you're lurking though. In your world I believe the term is "COME OUT OF THE CLOSET" !! Patty, Are you just itching to get me blown out of here?? You've managed to do it every other place I've ever posted so I guess this time should be no surprise to me. You throw out the bait and I take it then I get the boot. I must be either stupid or a glutton for punishment. DEEP

GROPE, I believe that B-3er came in to remind everyone that he is still the guy in charge. He has admirably allowed a lot of freedom and when things appear to be getting out of hand a bit, he simply reminds everyone to cool down a bit. I see nothing wrong or awkward about that at all. Where else you going to find a board moderator like that? DEEP is fine in his thread, but we don't need to read about group sex or gang rapes or whatever. That's all. (Thanks Patty for being the first to voice your reservations on that.) Carry on...

What can you say except that Christiern's simply paranoid. I'd tell everyone how to prove that DEEP and I aren't the same, but I don't know how that works, technologically speaking. And, as I said on that other thread, I think we all are freed up by a minimal degree of anonymity. Let's just play it as it lays. Patty, I've got a teenager who uses "word" and tried to define it to me. I don't get it, but think it's something like our generation's original use of "like," vaguely affirmative, I guess. It's tough getting old and square.

HEY, THE GROPER......STEP OFF, JUNIOR...STEP THE FUCK OFF. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A POSTER IN MORE NEED OF A BASEBALL BAT THAN YOU. You think you can jump in here after one week of posting and sort things out between me and Patty?? FUCKING FORGET IT !! GO SELL YOUR SUPPOSITORIES SOMEPLACE ELSE...YOU'RE ON MY TURF HERE...DIG?? DEEP

Aren't DEEP and Patty adorable? She so coy, he so straightforward--We need PICTURES of each, discreet or otherwise. This "cerebral gentleman" yields to a match of Titans! BTW, UGA--I really admire Nixon for his willingness to take a hit for the team in Latin America.

Patty, That's all well and good and though it may be true that it's none of my "damn business" be advised that I refuse to fuck you until you tell me when the last time it was that you had an orgasm with a PARTNER!! Until such time that you reveal that information it will just have to be you and your vibrator. Sorry, but that is playin' the game by MY rules and that's the only way we're gonna play...DIG?? DEEP I am not in the least bit interested in either posting a naked picture of myself on Organissimo or anywhere else. As for your other question, as I say, NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS. I'm nothing if not discreet and you know me better than to even ask. As to your statement that you might "choose" me, don't hold your breath, not that I'm not just flattered and complimented and just damn tickled pick that you would even consider it. Who wouldn't be?? Thank you, but pass.

I'm sure you'll make out, Patty. You've got a lot of grit and intelligence; and you're a good sport. DEEP seems to imagine he's got the inside track in getting you, but it seems that he's falling behind THE GROPE, who is employing a more cerebral and gentlemanly approach. That part about being a clumsy and ignorant lover...ouch!

Patty, That's all well and good and though it may be true that it's none of my "damn business" be advised that I refuse to fuck you until you tell me when the last time it was that you had an orgasm with a PARTNER!! Until such time that you reveal that information it will just have to be you and your vibrator. Sorry, but that is playin' the game by MY rules and that's the only way we're gonna play...DIG?? DEEP

Conn500, Thanks for the comradely words, but don't weep for me. My eyes were wide open in each case and in two cases SHE divorced ME. In my third divorce I did indeed take a hit, but am currently receiving ALIMONY (That's SPOUSAL SUPPORT to you, Patty.) from my last misadventure. I guess you could say that that ex is subsidizing this quite pleasurable MENTAL MASTURBATION.

Patty, I'm feeling guilty. I've been dismissive of you and you don't deserve it. You certainly can hold your own, so I want to take one more shot at reasoned debate. Last night I read two excellent articles in the Jan./Feb. Atlantic Monthly by James Fallows and Kenneth Pollack re: (respectively) the preparations for PEACE following the Iraq war and the intelligence upon which the decision to go to war was based. Both authors are critical of the Bush administration and I don't agree with their conclusions, but the point I want to make is that neither one of them offered any evidence of LYING. Fallows makes the argument that various agencies of the U.S. government, the military and non-governmental organizations included, recognized the possibility of war well in advance of hostilities and studied and prepared for the aftermath, but that the administration did not implement this planning. I think this is a defensible position. In the matter of intelligence, Pollack presents an insider's (he was an intelligence analyst during the Clinton administration) view of what was known and suspected re: WMD going back to the era preceding the first Gulf War through the inspections in the '90's, the end of inspections in '98, Hans Blix, etc. He states the obvious: EVERYBODY (including the French and the Germans) KNEW that The Sodomizer had them and had used them. The problem was that much of what was known came through the inspections and that the ejection of the inspectors in '98 left a gaping hole in the accumulation of intelligence. Pollack also theorizes that about '96 The Sodomizer changed his strategy of deception to appear that he had COMPLETELY abandoned his WMD when, in fact, his program was largely DORMANT. Remember that The Sodomizer was desperate to get the sanctions from Gulf I lifted, so he was hedging his bets to divide the opposition. The term INTELLIGENCE is misleading. It suggests COMPREHENSION, or COMPLETENESS. Let's just say that some of the pieces to the puzzle were missing. What remained was a very ugly picture. You can't precisely read or predict a person's or a REGIME'S motives or timing, but you can deduce certain things from past behavior. The Bush administration has not wilfully misconstrued the "intelligence," such as it was. They dealt decisively with a THREAT, imminent or not. Here's the part you and so many others refuse to acknowledge: the Iraqi people are free, the Middle East has an opportunity as a whole to move in a more democratic direction, the U.S. and its allies are more secure and there is one less potential sanctuary for Al Qaeda. Be happy! BTW I believe the U.S.'s policy vis a vis the Shiites is that Iraq needs a constitution before elections can be considered legitimate. That may be wrong, I concede, but at least it's rational.

The Groper, (I see most here have bastardized your name to "Groper, Grope" etc."...I choose to show you the respect you deserve after 5 marriages). Patty is a child of Canada so allow me to point out the reason for her convoluted thought processes: You and I and all Citizens of the USA have more options and more freedom to persue happiness than people anywhere else on earth. On the other hand, almost every other industrialized country will take better care of you. CANADA, France, Germany, The Scandinavian countries (take note Christiern), and Britain all have elaborate entitlements to their citizens, and even for illegal immigrants who manage to get into those countries. But the entitlements come with a steep price tag. Most people in those countries will never become wealthy and independent. And most can't even choose their medical and educational providers. Taxes are huge, and so are waiting lines for medical treatment and decent housing. With that stated maybe Patty would like to reveal her living conditions, financial status, marital status....NEED I CONTINUE?? DIG?? This should enlighten you has to her position on many of the discussed issues posted here. DEEP

The Groper, Well excuuuuuse me...but please be advised that the relaying of my sexual exploits (the Indians in the hills sing a folk song about them) are not meant for dissertation at the Thursday night PTA meeting. If you're offended..JUMP THREAD!! Patty, Don't take this personal but..I'm sure many here would be interested in how you find any spare time (what with constant posting at this and other sites) for the pursuit of sexual activity. In short: WHEN THE FUCK WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HAD AN ORGASM *WITH A PARTNER*?? (Inquiring minds....) DEEP Answer to your question, NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. And, GROPER, You don't know me, so don't say "women like you" and generalize. There's a reason that four of your five marriages didn't work out and it sure as hell isn't because you understand women, or me. I don't want to "feminize" anyone. On the other hand, I'm clearly a poor judge of character and am foolish enough to think that men and women can be friends.

The Groper, It is not out of the question that someday I may choose to JAM Patty but first two questions remain: 1. When was the last time she had an orgasm with a partner (or has she ever had an orgasm period!!)? 2. Would she be willing to get a digital camera and put her *GOODS ON THE BLOCK* here at ORGASMISSIMO!!? DEEP

I don't know what to say, Patty. I have never been involved in anything like the situation DEEP describes. I once had two in bed at the same time (this is bringing out some dark secrets,) but I was totally uncomfortable with the proceedings and in the end, nothing got done. It's solo for me, brothers and sisters, and no extra curricular in my 17 years of marriage. I am sympathetic to Patty's point of view, but I recognize DEEP's message that there are some women like that. Personally, I'm not into sharing my lady. There are no aphorisms on my part to offer regarding marriage or sex. I never figured anything out. Seems like GROPE's been through a lot.

DEEP Full disclosure--I did fuck one of my ex-wives the other night. (She was on the way to a rendezvous with some new guy, who turned out to be a bust. I will say in the way of sexual boasts that NONE of my ex's has ever remarried. Interpret that any way you like.) Anyway, I might as well have been at a PTA meeting, hence my (re)confirmed hibernation. The blinding white light of revelation just hit me! DEEP and Patty are meant for each other! The sexual tension is palpable. You go, girl! And let none call it rape.

The Groper, Well excuuuuuse me...but please be advised that the relaying of my sexual exploits (the Indians in the hills sing a folk song about them) are not meant for dissertation at the Thursday night PTA meeting. If you're offended..JUMP THREAD!! Patty, Don't take this personal but..I'm sure many here would be interested in how you find any spare time (what with constant posting at this and other sites) for the pursuit of sexual activity. In short: WHEN THE FUCK WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HAD AN ORGASM *WITH A PARTNER*?? (Inquiring minds....) DEEP

Re: This Wanton Thread (Thank you, Conn 500) My five wives came in three different races. They were all demanding, but the one who was the least demanding let me do the thinking for both of us. Now Patty, before you launch into one of your tirades against testosterone, think about the concept of marital harmony. How do you achieve that ideal? It's been elusive for me, I admit, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't include the constant impugning of your partner's motives or endless argumentation to score points. It does include finding intimacy through non-verbal cues in the bedroom and all other areas. May I suggest, ever so gently, that you exhibit certain--ahem--male characteristics, combined with your egregious female characteristics. I've met many women like you in this respect. They want to join the boys' club, but then they want to dictate the rules. They want to feminize us. Some guys have been falling for this Trojan horse gambit since "women's lib" propaganda began, but those guys don't seem to realize they are profoundly, DEEPLY, pussy-whipped. I hate to generalize, BUT most of your type are WHITE, IMHO. One of our (read Western Society's) most serious weaknesses is the institution of marriage--now (d)evolved into tiny battles for primacy, i.e conflict vs. harmony. And the CHILDREN be damned. BTW, I did have one good marriage, referred to above, but she died. I mention that just so you don't think I am a misogynist. I love women who love men, not those who want to BE men. Conn500: "flagitious"? Evelyn--WOW! Point taken. DEEP: Your boastful regaling of your exploits is disgusting, puerile, intemperate, condescending and hilarious. HOWEVER--I remain in confirmed hibernation.

PATTY, What can I say?...you had to be there. OH God, What the fuck am I saying?? I will say this, the video wears well with age and.... ...it was (and is) VERY HOT!! DEEP

TOTALLY CONSENSUAL. In fact I did a little advance reconnaissance. In short: I told the cats to wait outside the room while I sounded her about the adventure. Her response was "Sure, what the hell". In fact the next morning, before she had to cut out, she insisted we make a copy of the tape for her. I was even the best man at her wedding to my Army buddy. It was hysterical...after the wedding rehearsal dinner she and I and her husband-to-be all watched the tape when everyone else had gone to bed. I think they took that tape on their honeymoon. Nothin' like a little sinnin' (or a reminder therof) to get the juices flowin'. I wrote a tune for them as a wedding gift. I named it ... ..."OH HOW I'D LIKE TO SEE MY OL' GAL FLO(W) AGAIN". I sang it for them during their bridal dance. Man, was that some inside shit. Ya see, Patty, some people actually like to fuck and don't consider it to be ugly or dirty. You oughtta try it sometime (in between posting that is) and you could be surprised.....YOU MIGHT EVEN ENJOY IT!! Big Wheel, Filipino chicks and Japanese chickies are different breeds. If you value your JOHNSON I recommend you send your Amelda on her marry way and get you a real woman. I never enjoyed sleepin' with one eye open in fear for MY *ONE-EYED PANT WORM*. DEEP

Will have to have DEEP clarify things here. My assumption is that it was consensual. No way I'm supporting any kind of rape, Patty.

Sorry Patty, but this post of yours displays an ignorance as to how the military works. Soldiers are not free to do as you have just described. I only basing my comment on an interview with a soldier who recounted that experience as the one in which he was involved, which has put him on psychiatric discharge. If soldiers are allowed to indiscriminantly kill civilians then they will find themselves locked up in the brig awfully fast. We recognize that mistakes are made, but the military is disciplined; they are trained to be so. It's not a Wild West Show. If you want to see soldiers on the loose at a party, read DEEP's post! So the soldier was lying? I didn't say it was a civilian that the soldier killed. But the vomiting reflex was in response to the gleefully told story of humiliating and violating a woman who was nothing to your thread originator. What was described was not a party. It was a date rape, and a vicious and cowardly way of telling the woman she was an inconvenience. I guess just telling her wouldn't have been nearly as much fun. If that amuses all of you, then I've misjudged all of you. I thought you all were civilized people, but you're not.

Sorry Patty, but this post of yours displays an ignorance as to how the military works. Soldiers are not free to do as you have just described. I only basing my comment on an interview with a soldier who recounted that experience as the one in which he was involved, which has put him on psychiatric discharge. If soldiers are allowed to indiscriminantly kill civilians then they will find themselves locked up in the brig awfully fast. We recognize that mistakes are made, but the military is disciplined; they are trained to be so. It's not a Wild West Show. If you want to see soldiers on the loose at a party, read DEEP's post!

Sorry Patty, but this post of yours displays an ignorance as to how the military works. Soldiers are not free to do as you have just described. I only basing my comment on an interview with a soldier who recounted that experience as the one in which he was involved, which has put him on psychiatric discharge.

Why Patty?

Sorry Patty, but this post of yours displays an ignorance as to how the military works. Soldiers are not free to do as you have just described.