'Satch Plays Fats' Alternates?

[Justin V]

So, I bought the 2000 reissue of Satch Pays Fats for $2 from a clearance section the other day,  When I got home, I noticed on the back where it says that 6 of the 9 tracks on the 1986 reissue were previously unreleased alternate takes, with the 2000 reissue restoring the 9 originally released takes and including 4 edited alternate takes that were previously unreleased.  I went back to the store and bought the 1986 reissue for $2, which I had noticed was there when I bought the 2000 reissue.

As the times are similar on most of the tracks, can someone tell me which 6 of the 9 tracks on the 1986 reissue were alternate takes?  Thanks.

[Lazaro Vega]

All That Meat, I've Got A Feeling I'm Falling, and Black and Blue were the only original masters on the lp re-issue; everything else an alternate take

[Justin V]

2 hours ago, Lazaro Vega said:

All That Meat, I've Got A Feeling I'm Falling, and Black and Blue were the only original masters on the lp re-issue; everything else an alternate take

Thanks, Lazaro.  Despite the release of the 1986 and 2000 alternates, Satchmo scholar David Ostwald writes that there is still more unreleased material that could see the light of day in a future (likely Mosaic) box.  

[l p]

from jos willems discography:

Satch Plays Fats
1986 columbia 40378

1    Honeysuckle Rose    2:58  PARTIALLY ALTERNATE TAKE
2    Blue Turning Grey Over You    4:44 ALTERNATE TAKE
3    I'm Crazy 'Bout My Baby And My Baby Is Crazy 'Bout Me 4:28  PARTIALLY ALTERNATE TAKE
4    Squeeze Me    5:04  NO OVERDUB
5    Keepin' Out Of Mischief Now    3:20  PARTIALLY ALTERNATE TAKE
6    All That Meat And No Potatoes    5:15
7    I've Got A Feeling I'm Falling    3:13 NO OVERDUB
8    Black And Blue    4:39
9    Ain't Misbehavin'    4:37  ALTERNATE TAKE

Plays W.C. Handy
1986 columbia 40242

1    St. Louis Blues    8:54  PARTIALLY ALTERNATE TAKE
2    Yellow Dog Blues    4:15
3    Loveless Love    4:32  PARTIALLY ALTERNATE TAKE
4    Aunt Hagar's Blues    4:57  ALTERNATE TAKE
5    Louis Armstrong Monologue     0:46
6    Long Gone (From The Bowlin' Green)    4:14  PARTIALLY ALTERNATE TAKE
7    The Memphis Blues (Or Mister Crump)    3:00
8    Beale Street Blues    4:58  ALTERNATE TAKE
9    Ole Miss    4:39  ALTERNATE TAKE
10    Chantez-Les Bas (Sing 'Em Low)    4:48  ALTERNATE TAKE 'UNSPLICED TAKE'
11    Hesitating Blues    5:20  PARTIALLY ALTERNATE TAKE
12    Atlanta Blues (Make Me One Pallet On Your Floor)    4:33 NO OVERDUB

also a post from another forum:

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/louis-armstrongs-1950s-columbia-sessions.182056

Plays W.C. Handy
on the 1986 cd: 

1. st louis blues is different from 4:56- 7:47. the rest is the same as CL591.
3. loveless love is different from 0:00-0:04 / 2:45-3:49. the rest is the same as CL591.
6. long gone differs from 0:00-2:56. (after this point CL591 has 2 choruses of trumpet and 2 of trombone that do not appear here). from 2:56 on the same as CL 591.
9. ole miss has a longer drum intro, an extra ensemble chorus and a piano solo that do not appear on CL 591. the bass and trumpet solos are different. from 2:19-3:18 it's the same as CL591. then there's anextra drum solo chorus not on CL591, then from 3:38 to the end it plays the same as CL591.
12. 0:00-1:53 differs from CL591. 1:53-2:31 is the same though without the overdubbed trumpet. 2:32 to the end is the same as CL591.

yellow dog / aunt hagar / memphis blues / beale street bues / chantez le bas / and hesiating are the same as the original LP.

 

Edited October 20, 2016 by l p

[Justin V]

Thanks, LP.  I feel like a dope, because the 1986 liner notes specify which takes were previously unissued.  Between the 2000 reissue referring to the 1986 reissue's 'error' and another source referring to the original masters being temporarily lost at the time of the 1986 reissue, for some reason I mistakenly assumed that the 1986 reissue wouldn't acknowledge the alternate takes.  I am listening to the 2001 reissue for the first time now, with the 1986 reissue queued up next.  This is some amazing Satchmo!

[l p]

and it's pretty cool that the unique material on 40378 and 40242 has not been reissued as bonus tracks on the more recent issues.