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I'm looking for the Bill Evans XRCD Sunday at the Village Vanguard with the UPC/EAN code 009119005128 that was mastered by Alan Yoshida, in near mint condition, preferably from someone in Europe to minimize shipping cost (PayPal only, no friends/family).
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15 hours ago, miles65 said:
Miraculously my set arrived without VAT or import duties.
You may be in for an unpleasant surprise: if the set was shipped by FedEx they will send you a VAT invoice separately, usually within one or two weeks of delivery. Note that only VAT (21% in the Netherlands) and a handling fee wiil be due, no import duties, CDs are exempt from import duties in the EU.
45 minutes ago, sidewinder said:Sorry to hear that. Sounds like the Belgian TYQmusic or jazzmessengers might be the way to go for future sets.
TYQMusic's prices for Mosaic sets are usually lower than Jazz Messengers'.
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3 hours ago, sidewinder said:
The place in Belgium, TYQ Music (I think it is called) seem to have it in stock.
Message to self - order from them or JM in future to save a load of hassle and delay.
TYQMusic do not have it in stock. The owner, Mark Steyaert, told me yesterday Mosaic had informed him that something had gone wrong with TYQMusic's order, and it won't be filled until mid- or late January at the earliest.
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On 11/16/2023 at 1:31 PM, porcy62 said:
Just preordered BUT Vat included and I’ll pay it again to the shipper AND 40$ international shipping to Italy, not a bargain for sure.
If you ordered directly from Mosaic there is no VAT included, they do not use the EU IOSS ("Import One Stop Shop") scheme as far as I know. Within the EU you pay VAT on arrival of an order from outside the EU, unless the non-EU seller uses IOSS, in that case VAT is charged at check-out if the total value does not exceed 150 euros, and no VAT is due on arrival.
By the way - and this might be of interest to EU residents - Belgian store TYQMusic is currently offering the Byas Mosaic for 189 euros (pre-order) plus shipping. They told me they're expecting the set mid- or late December: TYQMusic
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...and their prices are reasonable.
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26 minutes ago, Stompin at the Savoy said:
I would definitely buy a Mary Lou Williams set. My guess is they thought of it long ago and didn't produce it - not because they are biased against female musicians but because they encountered difficulties licensing the material or getting it at prices which fit their model.
Exactly. Their projected Lucky Thompson set was also killed by licensing issues many years ago.
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11 minutes ago, Dmitry said:
Mosaic made a fatal mistake of getting out of vinyl when everyone else were getting into it. And I don't mean the "original get-out", but the "second get-out". I think they would've done very well, had they kept at it. Just look at what some of their oop vinyl sets are going for on eBay.
Again, LPs turned out not to be economically viable for them; after all, they're only a 3-man operation these days without the resources to handle post-sales care in case of defective LPs - one of the problems with that format according to the many complaints about bad pressings etc.
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8 minutes ago, mjzee said:
While licensing issues can be difficult, they may not be insurmountable. Look at their James P. Johnson set - licensed from many different labels and rights owners.
Sometimes they are, as was the case with the projected Lucky Thompson set years ago. As I understand it a Mary Lou Williams set was also considered at one time, but that was dropped just because of licensing issues.
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Mosaic's release policy has been discussed here many times, and people tend to forget that they can't afford releases anymore that are not expected to sell well. Their Select series was terminated because it was not economically viable; same with LP sets. There's also the problem of licensing issues, especially when artists recorded for many different labels with different owners, who are often reluctant to license those recordings to be collected in one set - case in point: a Mary Lou Williams set; that will probably never happen, just because her recordings are all over the place. People have also often wondered why downloads are not offered by Mosaic - simple, rights owners refuse to license downloads to Mosaic.
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2 hours ago, mjzee said:
Anecdotal evidence. I worked in a jazz record store in the late '70's - early '80's in lower Manhattan, and I saw what people bought. Straight-ahead jazz, classic jazz, soul jazz, smooth jazz, jazz-rock all sold. Avant-garde really didn't, and this was in lower Manhattan. I remember when the Braxton Arista box came in, the one with four orchestras, and it didn't move; none of the Braxton titles did. We had Sun Ra titles in the original Saturn packaging; didn't move. And then the argument was, well, avant-garde didn't have good distribution behind it. Then PolyGram took over distribution of Black Saint and Soul Note. The Soul Notes sold pretty well; the Black Saint titles didn't.
I don't recall that they sold out.
As far as I know they didn't, the licenses expired.
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6 hours ago, Dub Modal said:
Brutally said, but unfortunately accurate in a way. Smaller boutique labels are making money on jazz reissues, most of them via LP but still, there's a market because CDs are selling. Mosaic could get in but I guess they're not interested which I find a bit weird. Not sure why a Universal-owned line like them couldn't revisit some of the Selects for reissue (the good ones would fly off the shelf), then use that revenue to buoy some other projects. Oh well.
Mosaic won't be releasing LPs again because of the many problems with pressings and things like that, and the financial consequences of having to replace faulty copies etc. Having seen the horror stories on another forum I can fully understand that.
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I'm 76 and don't exactly remember when I got my first Mosaic, but it was soon after they started.
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On 3/30/2023 at 5:49 AM, Chuck Nessa said:
Once again, I'd kill for an expanded edition of Columbia/Sony's "The Okeh Ellington" to include the Pathe/Cameo/Romeo sides. Forget about the Victor sides, they've been done and no reason to include them just because "corporate" has access to them..
Seconded. I suggested something like that to Scott some time ago, and I wouldn't be suprised if we'd see an Ellington set with those recordings someday.
On 3/29/2023 at 10:40 PM, Larry Kart said:Bryant? Fine man in a section, much respected, big rich sound, but IMO not a tremendously distinctive solo voice. I'd compare him to, say, Benny Bailey, who I don't think quite meets the Mosaic standard either, though he might have if he'd gotten a good deal more chances on record to show what he could do. There's the Candid that Nat Hentoff set up for him and two nice British label albums with Tony Coe, one with each of them as leader. Anything else? In terms of quality and amount of material, I think of Fathead Newman, but most of that material is/has been readily available. Lucky Thompson's name comes up often, and he's a major player, but I've managed to acquire just about all the LT I'm aware of, and I'd bet that other LT fans have too. In my book, Al Haig and Jimmy Raney are major figures, but in both cases, is there much that hasn't been available in recent times?
Scott told me years ago they were planning to release a Lucky Thompson Select, and then thought of releasing a "regular" set. Nothing came of it, if I remember correctly the licensing problems couldn't be solved.
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57 minutes ago, mjazzg said:
Bought my first two big box CD sets in my late 30s when it became easy to do so online, followed by a bunch of Selects and my other three big LP boxes in late 50s.
I'm now likely to sell the first two.
I'm fairly agnostic about Mosaic, I don't like the alternates running together and really can't see why they can't feature original art work.
Much prefer owning individual albums as they become available.
I agree with a lot of what TTK says on the other thread
Licensing original artwork would drive up the cost of a set, and they chose not to include it. A wise decision, given the problems they had to stay afloat.
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7 hours ago, scooter_phx said:
I'm in trouble. I blew up the group about suggesting box sets to Mosaic. I was trying to delete a message I started and was given the option to delete it... without knowing it would delete the group.
Is there anyway to save it?
Signed,
Very Troubled.
6 hours ago, Dan Gould said:Thread starters have always had power to delete a thread.
I have a vague recollection of a disgruntled member doing that to several threads before his departure but I'm not 100% on that.
Before he left the board the late Chris Albertson deleted quite a few of his threads when he got upset by a few members. I did the same with one of my threads years ago and was told it could not be restored. Once deleted = gone forever.
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58 minutes ago, sidewinder said:
I was just disappointed that there was nothing on flights to Tierra Del Fuego.
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On 1/12/2023 at 8:14 AM, sidewinder said:
Good grief !
Got an email saying that a set had been put on hold for me pending card payment completing, which I thought was a bit unusual, so you could be right.
From past experience, I don’t recall them ever stopping preorder prices before the end of the day at US time zones.
Got an e-mail from Mosaic yesterday that the first run of their JATP set has sold out. They ordered a second run and expect new stock in 2-3 weeks, and have extended the date for the pre-order sale.
On 1/12/2023 at 4:52 AM, Edward said:Perhaps you nabbed the last set of the first pressing! I attempted to order the set at the pre-order price this evening after I returned home from work, but I was unable to do so because it was identified as "Out of Stock".
I shot Mosaic Records an email through its website explaining what happened and requesting the opportunity to purchase the set at the pre-order price even if it meant waiting for a second pressing.
Mailing Mosaic through their website isn't the best way in my experience. I always contact Scott directly: scott@mosaicrecords.com
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Had to sell my LPs back in 1995 and never looked back, and reading about all the problems with very expensive LP reissues over the last few years I'm glad I didn't.
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I had this set but sold it a long time ago because at the time I thought it was a mixed bag - some great and some not so great pianists, or pianists who were past their prime. As I said that was a long time ago (I think it was not long after it came out) and I'm not sure I made the right decision back then. I've been searching for audio samples of the music to see/hear if my feelings were right or not, but I couldn't find any. Any suggestions?
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Just noticed that I'm a newbie now, despite having been a member since it started... Good to feel young again...
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17 hours ago, sidewinder said:
The Freddie set is now in stock at JazzMessengers. Just ordered it. They are also re-stocked with the Black and White set so have gone with that one too, whilst it is still around.
The Hubbard set price in Euros is pretty steep though. I guess the big currency drop against the $ must be hitting hard.
Now that I have retired I have plenty of Mosaic quality listening time in hand.
I ordered the B&W set directly from Mosaic and it turned out to be far more expensive with shipping, VAT and all that than when I had ordered it from Jazz Messengers.
I also calculated what direct import of the Hubbard set would cost compared to Jazz Messengers' price, and that also turned out to be much more expensive.
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9 hours ago, RiRiIII said:
Nice!
NB: after all the JazzMessengers cost was lower: 189 < 221,3 (=179,6+37,7+4)
I'll be ordering Mosaics from JazzMessengers again from now on. I was tempted by the pre-order price Mosaic was offering, that's why I ordered the B&W set directly from them, but seeing that JM's price was roughly the same pre-VAT I wish I had ordered it from them and saved me the hassle - and extra cost. Oh well.
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46 minutes ago, miles65 said:
Postponed til Tuesday
Mine has just arrived, 5 days after I paid VAT. In my experience it usually takes that long for Dutch Post to receive the item from Customs after VAT and the handling fee have been paid.
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4 hours ago, miles65 said:
Had to pay 41,71 euro's taxes and what have you. But my set will be delvered tomorrow.
That's exactly the amount (21% VAT + 4 euros handling fee) I paid on Monday. Dutch Post told me on Monday it would be delivered the next morning: nothing; the next few days the same thing happened. This morning they notified me the set would be delivered tomorrow morning. I'll believe it when I see it...
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Sorry to hear this sad news.