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19 hours ago, Pim said:
I thought again about what you said David but isn’t it true that with these releases, at least somebody is releasing it and offering Mr. Harper some compensation for his incredible music. Apparently en very unfortunately none of these bigger labels is interested anymore in releasing it. After all: they only release music for its market potential. Or is this to easy thinking of me?
Again, I can't get too deep into it in a public forum. To prove a point, I would have to get into numbers and that is personal. Yes, independent labels do not have the budgets the major labels do but there is still a fair wage to pay a musician even if you are an independent label. But that really wasn't my point anyways though. I was saying that this limited edition model makes it more difficult to pay a musician a fair wage since you are limiting how many you can sell and therefore depriving the artist of potential royalties from more sales. The limited edition might guarantee you make a splash and sell out but it is not the best model for the musician who made the music in first place. I see that the album sold for 28 euros on their web-site so at maximum (if they sold them all through their web-site), 28 x 2,000 is 56,000 Euros. I'm sure a certain amount sold through distributors where the label would see less money per album and there are expenses as well but I don't know about non-profit. Non-profits do have salaried employees and sometimes they take a decent salary as well. I'm just trying to say I'm a little skeptical. More power to him for starting a label and more power to him for these great releases but I remain a bit skeptical about all the limited edition and non-profit stuff.... There is a reason all these labels are jumping into this record store day stuff....
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24 minutes ago, mjazzg said:
I have no reason to doubt this but I also have no idea what compensation Sam agreed with Harper. For all we know it could be an exception to that rule.
I do but I'm not going to go into it on a public forum. I stand by my statement.
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On 5/25/2021 at 1:13 PM, bertrand said:
It confirms that there will be a CD version. Hopefully real CDs and not CDrs.
For fucks sake Bertrand, I confirmed it was an 8 CD set months ago and yes, I'm pretty confident it will be real CDs.
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1 hour ago, Brad said:
Sam is a one person company, Fred Thomas. As stated in his website it’s a non-profit company. From his website: “This non-profit label is devoted to reissuing jazz records recorded and produced in France during the 50’s and 60’s.” Several of his recent re-issuances are repressing of records that have gone out of stock so he’s not reissuing a lot. His re-issuances seem more like a labor of love. Making money is obviously not his objective.
1 hour ago, mjazzg said:And all power to his elbow. As the owner of several of his releases I'm pleased he does what he does in the way he so chooses.
And I agree with Pin, this Harper is special.
1 hour ago, mjazzg said:One thing not really considered here is the artist. I don't want to get too deep into it but limited edition releases like this guarantee a low payday for the artist with no hope of any additional sales to make it even a half way respectable payday. These limited edition record store day type things have resulted in some of the lowest offers for compensation to the artist that I have seen in many years. It's nice for the music to come out and I understand the nature of a non-profit and their supposed good intentions but it would be nice to see the artist compensated a fair amount as well.
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9 minutes ago, Chuck Nessa said:
I have a DAT somewhere of this stuff from a project Uptown was working on. I'll dig it out.
I believe this was one of the sources for this....
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On 3/27/2021 at 9:37 PM, tranemonk said:
I'm totally in.. but I'd love to know the label and a rough eta....
Blue Note is releasing it.
End of July supposedly....
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4 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:
Not much new in this article (unless I’m overlooking something).
One thing though, is that this article says it’s an 8LP set (and makes no mention of CD) — where all the prior intel up-thread seemed to suggest a 12LP / 8CD set.
But I’m not putting a ton of stock in this new article necessarily, and I haven’t done the math — but 8 CD’s does seem a lot more inline with what I’d expect (given the rough number of tunes on the 3CD set, and about how long the list of unreleased alternates there were) — just eyeballing it.
And if that’s right, then 8 CD’s would seem to translate into 12 LP’s
Definitely 8 CDs and 12 LPs. CD box is supposedly going to be "moderately priced"
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I have not heard the final product but I heard the original tapes and it's pretty killing.
The intensity level is high.
I think the Land is from the Penthouse in Seattle but I'm not sure....
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59 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said:
With John Gilmore I’m not only a suit and tie, but button-down collared shirt too!
I’d seen this 30+ minute video of Blakey numerous times (below) — also with Gilmore (Lee, Hick’s, and Spoles) on the BBC in ‘65 — but I had no idea there was another hour of that band on video/film in Paris that same year (above).
For whatever reason, timing, mood or what have you, I'm finding this Paris concert to be much stronger. "The Egyptian" is earth shattering. There is also some footage from an Italian date from the same tour floating around as well.....
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Not an album but I've been listening to this Live Art Blakey thing a lot lately...
It's off the hook for me....
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1 hour ago, Mark Stryker said:
Just a note on this. The vocalist here, Bill Tragesser, was subbing for Flora Purim, who had either just had a baby or was about to.
Interesting.... had no idea...
Mark, I read your piece on Chick and enjoyed it but how can you not include this?
It is one of my favorites if not my favorite....
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12 minutes ago, JSngry said:
Lavishly illustrated, perchance?
That's a major seduction point for me, lavishly illustrated is, makes me melt in my mind.
Then you're just the sucker they are looking for after all
Big booklet, lots of cool photos. The ones mentioned above plus some other nice live shots.
More essays then one would even need as well....
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1 hour ago, mjzee said:
IIRC, the compilations were only available to libraries. I tried buying some of them but couldn't. I think the situation persists today:
Album/track(s) not available for download, but you may listen to clips below.
I've seen them plenty of times in used records stores over the years...
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27 minutes ago, JSngry said:
8 CDs at what price point?
And will there be pictures?
Reaching for the dice already....
I think the CDs will be moderately priced. I'm not as privy to such discussions but I think the general philosophy these days is deluxe, pricey LP box set and reasonably priced CD set. There are a lot of cool pictures from the Lighthouse photo shoot and I think the photo shoot from the Lee's last album in the booklet. They are of course more glorious in the LP box
but the CD booklet will have all this stuff as well...
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16 minutes ago, felser said:
I do like the band plenty (though not sold on Merritt on the electric bass) plus it was the first jazz album I ever bought in 1972, so holds plenty of appeal on those criterea. Good to hear that the sound quality is so much better and that the alternates are of high caliber. How much do the performances of a given tune differ from each other?
Well I think the sound is a lot better at least but I'm biased...
As for track timings, the timings of a particular tune are pretty much in the same ball park with a fluctuation of a minute or two in either direction in general.
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44 minutes ago, sidewinder said:
Just read an article in this month’s UK Jazzwise magazine on Morgan and Live at the Lighthouse and it mentions that this new set will be 8LP and no mention at all of a CD version - presumably they got their information wrong? Or maybe this is a special UK expurgated version?
12 LPs or 8 CDs. I don't know if there will be different versions for different parts of the world but I seriously doubt it.
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On 2/14/2021 at 0:27 AM, felser said:
Looking in the Ruppli Blue Note discography, the 3 CD set contained the master takes of all 13 titles from the stay. The 8CD set will contain those and 13 alternate takes, seemingly those would be equal or inferior to the masters overall. Can't see where I can justify even $75 for that.
14 previously unreleased tracks plus 5 previously unreleased Speedballs of various lengths, not that it matters that much. I chose the master takes back in the '90s and I will say, most of the decisions were pretty easy then except for two tunes. Going through it this time though, I have to admit I found the level of the performances consistently high throughout all the sets. The energy is infectious throughout and it's exciting to hear such a good band hitting on all cylinders set after set. I really like this band though, others might not be as high on them... I do have to say I think the sound is greatly improved over the 3 CD set. If you really like this band, it might be worth the plunge but if it is not amongst your favorites, then perhaps the 3 CD set would suffice.
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The Cecil Taylor Unit album on New World is probably my favorite Cecil Taylor album and very important to my early development.
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37 minutes ago, medjuck said:
Yes. Even Peter Losin didn't know about it. (i.e. He knew about the existence of the band but not that it had ever been recorded. BTW this is probably one side of the record. Who knows, what if anything is on the other. )
The B side is the Montgomery Brothers from the Jazz Workshop.
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4 hours ago, Dan Gould said:
I take it you have no direct or indirect knowledge if a cassette exists for this one:
Date: 11/14/1965
Location: Left Bank Jazz Society - Madison Club, Baltimore, MD
Label: [no known recording]Freddie Hubbard (ldr), Joe Henderson (ts), Freddie Hubbard (t), John Hicks (p), Arthur Harper (b), Clifford Jarvis (d)
I imagine there are more, no time to go thru the rest of that gig-ography.
I have not come across this one....
9 hours ago, JSngry said:What indications do you have that Joe worked a lot as a leader in the 60s?
A lot probably doesn't accurately describe the situation....
We know he led gigs at Slugs and the Left Bank at the very least in the '60s....
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But which project was recorded in 1983? I don't think he was on a label then...
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1 hour ago, bertrand said:
They have been where they have always been. It's just a matter of a label licensing it and paying all the costs related to releasing it, It's short though so it probably has to be paired with something else...
I've heard the Joe Henderson from the Both/And, it's great. Some of it came out on LP as Jazz Patterns (just like some Freddie Hubbard from the Both/And was bootlegged on LP as well). Ironically, it's from the same tour as the Live at the Lighthouse Joe Henderson recordings. Joe was on Milestone at the time which is now Concord.
As for the rest, I don't think a consultant to a label is going to get you the clearance you need.
No, but he has to respond to me so I know that I have to then ask for clearance from someone who actually works at the label, either the president or someone below. Bypassing the consultant would have been preferable, but apparently I did not have the choice. They may trust his opinion, but if he blocks anyone from trying to get clearance he is essentially depriving them of a possible income source. I really just need a name of the person to whom one would request the clearance.
Good that the other Monterey tracks are not lost, as some had speculated in the past. I guess they are at Stanford. Why all three did not come out on that compilation is a mystery.
I've heard the Joe Henderson from the Both/And
This other guy may have a different night or different tunes, kind of like the Lee Morgan situation. I want to get it transferred anyway for preservation purposes and to know what he has. Releasability discussions are far down the road. Concord needs to get new management first.
Who was Joe Henderson signed with in 1983?
Why 1983?
18 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said:I’m pretty sure I mentioned it more than once on the board (and in detail) — but here’s one such instance...
I’m glad I cut-n-pasted the info directly into that old thread, because it appears the source (link) I found it at 7 years ago... is no longer active. (I also vaguely remember later finding something with track-times maybe? - or else I’m just dreaming I did).
Just for good measure, here it is again...
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17 September 1966
Elvin Jones-Joe Henderson Quartet
Performer(s): Jones, Elvin (drums); Henderson, Joe (tenor saxophone); Moore, Don (bass); Hutcherson, Bobby (vibraphone)
Inner UrgeIsotopeShade of Jade===============I looked at the thread. I did not know this was slated for release at some point. Didn't the Monterey series just die at a certain point? Good idea to pair it with the 1994 trio date. It's a shame that never came out.... Hopefully, it will see the light of day eventually....
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1 hour ago, bertrand said:
It has come up several times that we are wondering what happened to the other tracks from Monterey. If they have been located, great, but that does not guarantee a release any time soon. No one wants to be Palo-Altoed, especially when THAT dreaded tape-hoarding, not a fuck-about-jazz giving label is involved. Hint: they are named after a brand of grape jelly.
I am not sworn to secrecy on my end having no ties to any record label, so I can say that the same guy who had some Lee Both/And tapes also approached me about some Joe Henderson from the Both/And. I offered to help him get it transferred (ie give him bread) to see if it overlaps with already released material, but we are not there yet. He would probably have to pitch it to the aforementioned label, which has right of first refusal but will neither be interested nor give clearance to another label to release it, even for a fee.
How anything ever gets done at the big labels is indeed a question I often ponder. When someone out of the goodness of their heart does all the legwork to make a self-proclaimed gatekeeper aware of a recording and the individual cannot be bothered to respond after three months to inform the person that the label is not interested, thus precluding the possibility of obtaining clearance to propose it to another label, that is tape-hoarding. And just plain rude.
Bertrand.
They have been where they have always been. It's just a matter of a label licensing it and paying all the costs related to releasing it, It's short though so it probably has to be paired with something else...
I've heard the Joe Henderson from the Both/And, it's great. Some of it came out on LP as Jazz Patterns (just like some Freddie Hubbard from the Both/And was bootlegged on LP as well). Ironically, it's from the same tour as the Live at the Lighthouse Joe Henderson recordings. Joe was on Milestone at the time which is now Concord.
As for the rest, I don't think a consultant to a label is going to get you the clearance you need.
1 hour ago, Rooster_Ties said:Thanks Michael! I *am* totally aware of this, and somewhere around here is a thread that I myself created ~10-12 years ago, where I came up with the 3 tune names, and the length of time of the performance too, iirc. I also do have the one track (which is pretty fantastic), and I’m *thrilled* to hear that the whole thing is being considered for release. Thank you again!
Interesting.... Wonder if I chimed in then.... I've heard the whole thing and it's great. There was speculation of pairing this with another show and I don't think that notion is dead yet. Things move slowly....
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1 hour ago, felser said:
Just think of all the mid-60's to /early 70's Blakey that must be out there with all those fascinating lineups. The Morgan is tempting, will probably be a price-point issue for me, and I am probably leaning "no". "Live at the Lighthouse" was the fist jazz album I ever bought, so the BN configuration has sentimental appeal for me, so I would probably keep it anywasy, making the new set even more redundant for me.
Plenty of Blakey
Billy Harper Quintet - Antibes 1975
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I'm well aware of the INA archive. INA licenses these recordings to labels for a fee based on a percentage on the number of albums pressed. I've had offers where a larger percentage of the pie was offered to INA then to the artist. Another example of the artist, who produced the actual music, always being last in line for payments...
Different situation I believe. Mosaic dealt with collections of previously issued music for the most part (with some alternate takes) and licensed the music from various labels. Sometimes the license deal would be based on the number of albums pressed and hence, one of the reasons for the limited edition....