Guy Berger Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 The subtitle is tongue in cheek, of course. The final five symphonies are regularly praised, and for good reason. But there are some really excellent Salzburg symphonies as well -- esp #29. On the other hand I think "Paris", despite having a "name", is not that much better than its neighboring symphonies. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Yes indeed: I like #'s 25 and 29 about as much as any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 & not that good, or great, unless "mere" "craft" is yr all-day hardon, yr all-night lickin' stick-- mama come here quick!!. you can argue the % is ok-- ok, but then there's Haydn, or Mo's own piano concertos (> symphs as whole), that Swedish fucker (Kraus), some other Austrians (ya'll know the ones). VERDICT: a generally overexposed, overpraised body of work, albeit w/a handful-- NO MORE-- of exceptions that strong period bands make worthwhile. edc, author Class Struggles In The Pit (Bobbs-Merilll 1974). Just to clarify: surely, your comments apply to 25 & 29, as opposed to 40 & 41. Those latter two never cease to amaze me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Surely you can't take clem too seriously at all!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 & not that good, or great, unless "mere" "craft" is yr all-day hardon, yr all-night lickin' stick-- mama come here quick!!. you can argue the % is ok-- ok, but then there's Haydn, or Mo's own piano concertos (> symphs as whole), that Swedish fucker (Kraus), some other Austrians (ya'll know the ones). VERDICT: a generally overexposed, overpraised body of work, albeit w/a handful-- NO MORE-- of exceptions that strong period bands make worthwhile. edc, author Class Struggles In The Pit (Bobbs-Merilll 1974). Won't really disagree with the fact that as a whole it's not "great" -- the early symphonies are OK (pleasant "craft", as you say -- but by K 130 or whatever you start moving beyond that), and if those first 40-45 symphonies had been composed by a AW Trazom, we would probably remember the guy as another 2nd-tier 1770s composer of symphonies. In which case you would probably be plugging him... But... I am guessing that at least some people here have not listened to anything before the Haffner, and they would probably be pleasantly surprised. Certainly #29 is a great work regardless of the name attached to it or the period in which it was composed. (#25 is a nice change of pace, but I would put it a cut below the minor key symphonies composed by Haydn during the same period.) Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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