etherbored Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 since it was an OJC that inspired me to stop lurking and start posting, when the opportunity came for me to choose an AOTW i thought in my own little way i'd honor that by choosing another OJC. a not so big and important title, but great to listen to new jazz date recorded on april 19, 1960 @ englewood cliffs ('supervised' by esmond edwards and arranged by oliver nelson). ---------------------------- lem winchester - vib oliver nelson - ts curtis peagler - as billy brown - p (1,4) roy johnson - p (others) wendell marshall - b art taylor - d ----------------------------- 1 - eddy's dilema - 11.37 2 - lem & aide - 7.58 3 - freindly persuasion - 4.08 4 - your last chance - 6.50 5 - lady day - 2.51 6 - just friends - 5.17 ----------------------------- what can i say? to me, lem is, as are many of the musicians we all love, grossly underrated. i find no or very little critical acclaim of his work, yet i love everything i've heard him on. a discography can be found here... regards, -e- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Wow! I gotta pick this one up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Yeah, I'm a Lem fan just from his organ dates. I'm unfamiliar with the alto and pianists. Anybody know these guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted January 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 BTW, sound samples are here... regards, -e- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 I don't think I know the piano players, but Peagler recorded in a group called the Jazz Corps (I think) & I believe also had something to do with Roland Kirk. This is all off the top of my head, so if incorrect I apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Curtis Peagler's Cincinnati based group was called the Modern Jazz Disciples. They released two albums on the New Jazz label. NJLP 8222 "Modern Jazz Disciples", and NJLP 8420 "Right Down Front". High quality bop. Booker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Well here's where I got screwed up. Roland Kirk had a record with a "group" called the Jazz Corps with somebody whose last name was Peltier. Peagler is not exactly Peltier (who was not a sax player) but maybe close enough. Sorry for the confusion (mine). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Well here's where I got screwed up. Roland Kirk had a record with a "group" called the Jazz Corps with somebody whose last name was Peltier. Peagler is not exactly Peltier (who was not a sax player) but maybe close enough. Sorry for the confusion (mine). Oh, that sounds like something I would do. Are you over 40 yet? Was the Peagler/Modern Jazz Disciples twofer CD (containg both of the above-mentioned albums) mentioned on Chuck's OJC thread? Of course, being a twofer it's technically not in the OJC series, but it would fit the spirit of that thread. I've never heard either of those albums... Back on topic, I'm a big Lem W fan. With only a handful of sessions under his leadership, I think it's great that he worked with different players and varied the instrumentation. I love the ballad date, WITH FEELING, in fact that's the disc that really moved me to buy up his other titles, but it's great to hear him with people like Benny Golson, Tommy Flanagan, Frank Wess, Hank Jones, Johnny Hammond Smith, Eddie McFadden, etc, and in this case, Oliver Nelson. Three Nelson compositions, plus his magic touch as an arranger... pretty hard to go wrong. Art Taylor was such a solid drummer on so many sessions, and Wendell Marshall is one of the greats as well. I'm generally less familiar with Peagler (this is the only disc I have with him on it), but he impresses me here. I'm going to have to track down the aforementioned twofer. I think my favorite tracks on this CD are "Your last chance", "Lady Day", and "Friendly persuasion" (a good example of an under-recorded tune by an excellent composer). Gotta run... looking forward to coming back to this topic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Way over 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Nice choice, this is my kind of music and Winchester is probably my favourite vibes player. The cd hits a nice groove from the off and it continues right the way through. It's one of those records exemplify jazz of the period, relaxed but with plenty of soul and swing. Good to hear Peagler and Brown from the Modern Jazz Disciples too, a disc well worth checking out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 I have to pick this up. The only things I have are Winchester Special (which I might have turned eherbored onto a while ago) and with the Ramsey Jones Trio, a very nice date. So, I'm going to try to order this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted January 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 (which I might have turned eherbored onto a while ago) --- entirely possible, but i've known this date with benny golson for so long that it's hard to tell. allow me to return the favor by humbly presenting lem's beat. , -e- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted January 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Nice choice, this is my kind of music and Winchester is probably my favourite vibes player. ---- a higher compliment i couldn't imagine. thank you, john. -e- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 (which I might have turned eherbored onto a while ago) --- entirely possible, but i've known this date with benny golson for so long that it's hard to tell. allow me to return the favor by humbly presenting lem's beat. , -e- Favor reciprocated . I just ordered it so hopefully I'll have it in a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I just received this so I'll be spinning it tomorrow. Too bad not a lot of people have given views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I just received this so I'll be spinning it tomorrow. Too bad not a lot of people have given views. Yeah... I know this isn't one of those discs that's in everybody's collection, but 2 (going on 3) responses...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted January 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Yeah... I know this isn't one of those discs that's in everybody's collection, but 2 (going on 3) responses...? ---- surely any work with oliver nelson can't be that obscure... it is my breath? -e- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 Well, contrary to my expectations, I just got around to listening to this. I'm not as enamored of this as Winchester Special but it is good. Lem just sounds so in the groove. Peagler's sound is interesting. I may be mistaken but I hear a Jackie Mac sound in there and Oliver Nelson what can you say, a nice round sound. Worth picking up even if it took me too long to listen to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 This thread brings back fond memories of Lem Winchester, who used to come to my apartment in Philadelphia to listen to early jazz recordings. As I recall, I mention his fondness for vintage jazz in my notes to the original LP release. One day, Lem brought his grandfather with him and as I played Bessie, early Louis, Morton, et al, he watched the old man's face. "You can see in their eyes the good times they had back then," he said, although probably not in these exact words. His death came as a big shock, especially because he was so full of life. Pianist Roy Johnson was a gentle soul and a close friend. This was his first recording, and it wasn't planned--he came to Rudy's studio that day because he had written a song, "Lady Day," that Lem wanted to record. It made sense to have him play the piano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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