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3 hours ago, mjzee said:
It's interesting that there are only six duplications between EIO Vol. 1 and this Frog release:
The duplications are the 3 November 1927 and 9 January 1928 sessions. Moreover, the Frog has an alternate of Black & Tan Fantasy that the EIO doesn't seem to have.
Ellington in Order so far used recordings previously issued on CD from the big RCA box and The Okeh Ellington.
The Okeh Ellington has 50 tracks thus there was no room to include the 5 alternate takes. One off them is on the Frog CD. The two sessions you mention are the only Sony owned recordings on the Frog CD.
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Volume 3 is on line. Only the 2 alternative takes of ‘Sweet Mama’ and ‘Double Check Stomp’ from 12-6-1930 are not included. Included is the Trombone Red and his Blue Six session from 18-6-1931. Both Rust and Lord give a fantasy line up with Ellington as possible piano. But the Ellington band played in Philadelphia that day. And Jabbo Smith was either in Milwaukee or Chicago that day.
The missing Columbia/Okeh tracks from volume 2 might be added at a later day.
Volume 4 will start with the first Brunswick session of 1932. Of course the 30’s were covered by 2 Mosaic sets. So the following volumes should be complete.
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This is my grasp of the situation: CBS held on to the Okeh and Columbia recordings and sold the Pathé and Plaza recordings to EMI. The complete Ellington 2 LP sets that appeared on French CBS were produced by EMI and they could use the Pathé and Plaza recordings. EMI got sold to Warner and Universal. And now Sony can’t use the Pathé and Plaza recordings. Why only part of the Okeh Ellington is used in this series is a mystery. Let’s hope it gets solved before the treasure of Oak island.
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9 hours ago, Justin V said:
Correct. The question is if it'll be part of the new In Order series
They should be these recordings are Sony owned.
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The Mosaic boxes ‘1932-1940 Brunswick/Columbia/Master Duke Ellington’ and ‘Duke Ellington 1936-1940: small group sessions’ are not part of the RCA Victor box.
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On 6/18/2023 at 8:47 AM, miles65 said:
This compilation covers CD 1 and 2 up to track 4 of the big RCA box and CD 1tracks 1-19 of the Okeh Ellington. Leaving out the alternate take of Black and Tan Fantasy. Also the Pathé and Plaza group sessions are missing. In total 15 tracks are missing.
From the DUKE LYM mail list:
The new release is not including several Columbia / OKeh sessions (April 4, May 28, August 2, November 20, 1929; April 3, 1930); shouldn't they be owned by Sony as well? After 1928, it is focused on the RCA Victor material.
Chuck Granta sorted out this in a comment he asked me to puplish on the DESS' website and Ian Bradley has also published it.
Here is his comment.
"Some collectors may be under the impression that because those labels were at one time owned by ARC that Sony Music still has the rights to them. That is incorrect; those labels were sold to EMI way back in the late 1930s, when CBS formed their radio business and bought the old ARC and revived the Columbia name in the United States.
There are definitely some perplexities when it comes to all of this label ownership business, so I understand the confusion! For example, in France, EMI distributed some recordings under the 'Columbia' and 'CBS' banners.Therefore, they issued the Complete Duke Ellington series on LP under the CBS label. Many of the tracks are Columbia-owned masters. However, because EMI also owned the rights to the Pathé and associated label recordings, they were able to 'co-mingle' the sides that EMI had the French rights to with the Columbia-owned sides that they had licensing for in France."
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EMI was sold in 2012 mostly to Universal and partly to Warner (EMI classical and Parlophone). After some research my best guess is that the Pathé Plaza recordings are now owned by Universal.
That means that from volume 1 only the alternate take of Back and Tan Fantasy is missing. It's on Masters of Jazz volume 3.
Volume 2 covers the Victor recordings from CD 2 track 5 tot CD 4 track 9. From the Okeh Ellington CD 1 tracks 23, 34 and 25 and from CD 2 tracks 1-11 are missing and also the alternate takes of The Mooche and East St. Louis Toodle-oo not included on The Okeh Ellington. The are on Masters of Jazz volume 10.
About the Pathé Plaza recordings: 10 sessions yielded 42 tracks. Most of them are spread over all 12 Masters of Jazz volumes. Missing are from 10-1-1931 Rocking Chair take 3 wich was not included because of the poor sound quality. And I'm so in love with you wich would have been the first track of Volume 13 that was never issued. It is included on Classics 605 Duke Ellington 1930-1931.
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This set is has gone quietly o.o.p. Still available at Jazzmessengers.
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11 minutes ago, John L said:
Most of us now probably reach for the Ellington Mosaic set when we want to hear the 30s band. That set removed almost all of the vocal tracks, which makes for more consistent and maybe enjoyable listening.
No vocal track was left of either Mosaic Ellington 30's set. The Goodman and Shaw boxes on the other hand....
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The vocals are cut out. Not filtered away something like that. The tracks are shorter. But the person who did this made shure there are no skips in the beat.
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Last week the latest issue of Blue Light the magazine of DESUK arrived. It came with a CD The Expurgated Ellington. a man called Graham Colombé removed the vocals from 33 recordings by Ellington from 1928-1931. Technically it is done well. But I don't like tampering with the originals. What ever one thinks about the singers they are part of the recording.
Graham calls all singers inferior. I wouldn't call the Rhythm Boys with Bing Crosby or Chick Bullock inferior. And I quite like the singing of Irving Mills.
The CD has no label or catalog number so I don't think this CD will be made available generally.
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This compilation covers CD 1 and 2 up to track 4 of the big RCA box and CD 1tracks 1-19 of the Okeh Ellington. Leaving out the alternate take of Black and Tan Fantasy. Also the Pathé and Plaza group sessions are missing. In total 15 tracks are missing.
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10 hours ago, Teasing the Korean said:
I'll bet the wine selection at the VIP reception will be fantastic!
I don’t doubt that. Unfortunately I’m not a vip.
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'Big Alice' and 'The Call' on the CD version are not unissued they are on the Rhino CD version of 'Mingus Moves'. 'Music for Todo Mondo' is the only unissued take on the CD version.
On the CD 'Cumbia & Jazz Fusion' the 2 takes of Wedding March/Slow Waltz are missing on both the LP and CD version. They are on the Rhino CD issued in 1994.
A resounding NO from me for this set.
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Yes I am going. Thursday I’ll take the Thalys from Rotterdam to Paris Nord. I’ve got tickets for all events and looking forward to it.
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6 hours ago, EKE BBB said:
This one?
Yes this is it.
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This was one of the first LP's I bought. It was then called Ben Webster and Friends and had a painted cover of Ben's face. I've always loved it.
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On 3/31/2023 at 4:56 PM, Mark Stryker said:
Off the top:
1. Frankie Newton across a zillion labels and his whole career as a leader and sideman -- anything where he has solo space or makes a significant ensemble contribution. There's a 3 CD set on Acrobat that kinda does this but it's by no means complete and there are no notes/context etc. on a remarkably individual music and life.
I went through the Frankie Newton disco on the JazzArcheology.com - Your Guide to the Treasures of Vintage Jazz | JazzArcheology.com site. Frankie recorded for a lot of labels. Between 1929-1939 he recorded 85 sides (including 9 without a FN solo) for labels now owned by Sony. The rest is scattered over Decca, Blue Note, Commodore, Asch, Savoy, National and Disc.
I'm afraid not much chance for a Mosaic.
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The recordings of Hot Lips Page are spread over many labels. But on sets with Commodore swing groups and Savoy swing groups he could feature prominently.
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2 hours ago, gmonahan said:
I still think packaging all of those 1957 Newport albums that Norman Granz put out on Verve would make a nice box. I used to babble on about a Hodges 60s Verve box, but then the Andorrans put paid to that by issuing almost all of them as twofers.
What about labels? They've done Savoy, Dial, Bee Hive, and Black and White. Is there enough material on Mercer for a box? Maybe grouped with some other small labels from that era??
There is not enough material to do a Mercer set.
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7 hours ago, Joe said:
What would you all say to an Andy Kirk set? Or a John Kirby Sextet set?
Andy Kirk recorded 1929-1930 for Brunswick. These are on one Frog CD and 1936-1946 for Decca. This would yield 5 or 6 CD's depending how many alt takes there are and keeping the sessions together.
John Kirby sextet recorded less than 3 Cd's worth of music for Sony (Columbia, Vocalion Okeh and Victor). Scott once told met the small sets are not profitable.
But there are plenty transcriptions. Those could make as nice set.
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This is the best I could do November 29 2022. The thread was on page 34 Yesterday.
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Just spinning the first disc.
About the foto on page 3 of the book. The woman is Pia Beck the Dutch boogie pianist/singer/entertainer. The man talking to Norman Granz I am 99% certain is Lou van Rees the dutch impresario. Het got a lot of greats to the Netherlands like Marlene Dietrich and Frank Sinatra.
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A small correction:
This volume contains from the Mosaic Big Band box disc 3 and 4 tracks 1-14 for the master takes and 19-24 for the alternate takes. (Tracks 15-18 from 1934 will be the opening tracks of vol. 6.) From the RCA box the remainder of disc 6 and from disc 7 tracks 1-4.
No takes missing.