Luciano

Thanks Holy Ghost, i hope to receive some answer about this "encounter", but in this moment I'm thinking about something: it's true that Neidlinger may not claim that Cherry played with Taylor, but if he attended all the rehearsals, what was his role as a mere 'spectator'? What was he invited to do? In short, I'm convinced that Cherry played. There may not be any recordings to prove it, but he played. My only regret is that, unfortunately, during the years I knew Cherry, I knew nothing about this matter and was unable to ask him for confirmation. I'm sure he would have answered me, and I think I know how. Anyway, I also want to know 'more', so I ask you: what questions do you have about him? What do you want to know about him? Perhaps by starting a discussion between us, we could enrich our knowledge about the work of this great musician of ours. Are you up for it?

The data regarding sessions, titles and line-ups listed on Discogs is correct. There are differences between that data and the data available in the Mosaic booklet. Has anyone ever compared the data?

1. Scope of This Document This file brings together all source-based information concerning the documented and semi-documented intersections between Don Cherry and Cecil Taylor during the Candid period. Only material directly relevant to Cherry, Taylor, and the lost Candid project is included. 2. DownBeat Yearbook 1972 Buell Neidlinger briefly mentions an episode involving Don Cherry during the early 1960s Candid period. While not describing a recording, the testimony indicates Cherry’s presence around Taylor’s circle and aligns with later accounts. 3. Cadence Magazine, Vol. 12, No. 6 (June 1986) In this interview, conducted by Bob Rusch, Neidlinger recalls Cherry’s involvement in a New York R’n’B session. Although not directly tied to Taylor, it reinforces Cherry’s proximity to the same musical environment active during the Candid years. 4. Cadence Magazine, Vol. 23, No. 10 (October 1997) This interview contains the most significant testimony regarding a planned Cherry–Taylor collaboration. Neidlinger states that he organized a recording session with Cecil Taylor, that Don Cherry attended all rehearsals and was expected to be the trumpeter, and that Cherry withdrew on the eve of the session after Ornette Coleman warned him that participating would jeopardize his position in Ornette’s band. 5. The Question of Actual Musical Encounters No verified recording or documented performance confirms that Cherry and Taylor ever played together. Neidlinger’s 1997 account shows that a collaboration was planned and nearly realized. Other musicians have hinted at informal encounters, but no primary source has been verified. 6. Current Assessment There is no evidence of a completed Candid recording involving both Cherry and Taylor. The testimonies from 1972, 1986, and 1997 help reconstruct the environment in which such a project could have occurred. The 1997 interview provides the strongest indication of a near-collaboration. Further archival research may clarify whether any rehearsal tapes or documentation survive.

I’ve also found another source, in the DownBeat Yearbook 1972, where Neidlinger himself recounts the same episode. It doesn’t contradict the 1986 Cadence account — it simply presents the situation from a slightly different angle.

Just to clarify the source: the Neidlinger quote about Don Cherry and the New York City R’n’B session comes from Cadence Magazine, Vol. 12, No. 6 (June 1986). The interview was done by Bob Rusch, not Michael Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald simply indexed the material.

I’d like to add an important detail that comes from Buell Neidlinger’s interview in Cadence Magazine (Vol. 23, No. 10, October 1997). Neidlinger explains that Don Cherry attended all the rehearsals for a recording session he had organized with Cecil Taylor, and Cherry was supposed to be the trumpeter on the date. However, on the eve of the recording, Ornette Coleman told Cherry that if he appeared on that session, he would no longer be welcome in Ornette’s group. Out of loyalty, Cherry withdrew at the last moment. Neidlinger says that, suddenly left without a trumpeter, he called Nat Hentoff for advice. Hentoff told him: “Call Clark Terry and offer him double scale.” Which is exactly what Neidlinger did. This episode confirms two things: Cherry did play with Cecil Taylor at least during the rehearsals, even though no official recording exists. The internal dynamics around Ornette’s group in that period were more complex than often assumed. Neidlinger doesn’t tell the story in a polemical tone — he simply describes how things worked at the time, and how strong Ornette’s influence was on his musicians.

I would like to return to the question of possible musical encounters between Don and Cecil. To my knowledge, no documented evidence confirms that they ever played together — although it seems quite plausible that they did. For this reason, I would be grateful for any information of the following kind: Henry Grimes (or any other musician, enthusiast, or collector) once mentioned that Don and Taylor played together… I hope my question is sufficiently clear, and that readers understand the spirit of what I am asking. I should also mention that I have already written about this topic in the past and received some helpful replies. However, now that I believe I understand better how our forum works, I would like to gather everything in a single thread — and, from now on, to keep each topic unified in its own place.

I think so, and your hypothesis about how it was lost could also be correct. I only have that information, which should be correct. I think so, and your hypothesis about how it was lost could also be correct. I only have that information, which should be correct.

Again Clifford, to clarify things a bit: since I wasn’t completely sure about these sessions, I wrote to Johann Haidenbauer to check my doubts. Johann replied (in his very characteristic way): “Yeah, I think this is based on an interview that was published in DownBeat.” I know Johann well enough to recognize that his “Yeah” usually means “yes, you’re on the right track”, but both he and I prefer to keep a small margin of uncertainty — old notes and memories can always be tricky. Still, in this case I’m fairly confident that my recollection is correct.

Ciao Clifford thanks Blue Rock Studio, New York City, circa February, 1978 The news comes from the discography of Mike Hames and Roy Wilbraham, whom I believe you know, and I also agree with what you say about the Here & Now period. Unfortunately, dear Clifford, I can no longer talk to Don about it (how many things I would like to ask him now). I say this because we saw each other many times between 1973 and 1991.

Does anyone have information about this unreleased Atlantic Records concert by Don Cherry? Lineup reported: Don Cherry – trumpet, vocals Janice "Jan" Cherry – violin Ricky Cherry – keyboards Stan Samole – guitar Claudio Ferreira – guitar Siegfried "Tiki" Busch – bass Anthony Busch – drums Naná Vasconcelos – percussion Raphael Cruz – percussion I’m asking because I’m not sure this concert ever actually took place. Any details, confirmation, or corrections would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Thornton it is impooirtant for me this information No, Bertand I don't known nothing about Cornell in 1991

Cia Carville, I have visited your interesting website many times in the past and am delighted to be able to contact you. Unfortunately, I am now 83 years old and before asking you what I want to know, I would like to tell you that: I am extremely passionate about Don's music. In 1973, I was lucky enough to meet him at his magnificent home in Tågarp Skola. I met him many times after getting to know him, and he hosted me for about 15 days in his van during the tour he did in Italy in 1975, the year we organised his first concert in Pisa. In short, it is also an emotional attachment that binds me to knowing about the performances he has given all over the world. Now the questions: As I told you, I already know your website and it has been very useful in the past, so I fear that, having never announced a meeting between him and Cecil Taylor, you cannot confirm the rumours that are circulating; Five Spot Café, New York City, NY, giugno-luglio 1960 Don Cherry ptp, Jimmy Lyons alto, Cecil Taylor p, Buell Neidlinger o Henry Grimes b, Sunny Murray dr Café Montmartre, Copenaghen, NY, 1962 Don Cherry ptp, Jimmy Lyons alto, Cecil Taylor piano Loft Sessions, New York City, NY, 1964 Don Cherry ptp, probabilmente Albert Ayler ts, Cecil Taylor piano, Sunny Murray dr Are these fake news, or is there some truth to it in different times and places where they may have met? Of course, news obtained from reliable sources. I hope I have made myself clear in explaining what I want, and thank you again for your reply. Luciano PS: I have also been in contact with Joahn Haidembauer for about 20 years. I asked him about this a few days ago, and he replied that these are rumours that have been circulating for many years and are not true. And since I know that Joahnn is a good person, I am a little disappointed. I live in the hope that Joahnn is wrong and that maybe one day a document will come out, perhaps a musical one, that confirms it.

I would like to get in touch with someone who is passionate about Don Chery, especially regarding his live concerts. I sincerely hope that someone will contact me and, above all, that I will be able to find the answer. I can't figure out how to navigate this important site. I hope this is the right place for my question. Thank you.

On the: The Thousand Threads, a Neneh Cherry's Book, there is this information: ... By 1954, and still in high school, Don had earned a union card and was playing professionally. Often, he would compete in talent shows around the neighbourhood with people like Johnny ‘Guitar’ Watson. Don said that Johnny, slicker than the rest, always won. With Billy, George Newman and Pee Wee Williams, they formed a group called the Jazz Messiahs, playing bebop and jazz in clubs around town. Together they played R&B clubs, going as far north as Vancouver. .. My question is: Is Pee Wee Williams a bass player? Does anyone know him?

Ciao, I would like some information about an alleged record (or CD): Sonny Rollins 'Live in Europe' (w/ Cherry, Grimes and Higgins) that was just reissued by Fruit Tree? as you can see, 'posted' by Nathan in 2006. Do you know anything about it?

Finally I found my notes so: Night and Day I think is nothing more than: the Improvised Medley, an approximately 26-minute piece (often referred to as Sonny's tune & Sonny's Tune Second Version as in jzzup 313) containing quotations from The Bridge, You Don't Know what love is, Sly Moongoose Could be correct this opinion?

Dear Sir I hope you in your help. First question: what are the information to find: Sonny Rollins Live In Europe by Fruit Tree Label? Second question: d) Night and Day JazzUp JU-313, Sonny Rollins Quartet In Europe 1963, vol. I, a-d Night And Day it is not on the two JuzzUp 313/4 CDs nor on the Moon Moon MCD 053-2-Moon MCD 05a4-2 CDs unless it is Sonny's Tune or Sonny's Tune 2 version one of the two Jazzup 313 titles. And you will not find this title in any recording of the Rollins/Cherry's concerts Is it correct? Greetings Luciano

Ciao Nathan I would like to know the title and catalogue number of the Sonny Rollins Live In Europe reissue from the Fruit Tree, I can't find any trace of it

ok. thanks anyway

I Forgot to ask you the line up, if you remember. Is it possible?

Many thanks Adh1907