Luciano

Hello everyone, I have a question regarding a live recording of Karl Berger in Paris, dated November 10, 1979. The tracklist is the following: Open Time (16:10) Manidi (13:20) Between The 7th And 5th Step (21:51) Does anyone know the exact line-up for this concert? Specifically, I would like to know if Don Cherry was part of the group playing pocket trumpet or flute on this date, or if it was a different ensemble led by Berger. Thank you very much for your help!

Thanks PIM I wrote to British...., many many trhanks

Ciao Pim, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you; I’m not very familiar with this site, and "navigating" around here is a bit difficult for me. I’ve taken note of the links you provided—the information you shared is something I was already aware of. The thing is, though, that no one knows for certain which musicians played on the various tracks. Yes, I also have those wonderful videos that surfaced about a year ago, and, of course, the CD released by Hi Hat (HHCD3107).

Thanks Onxidlib, ia have it too, but i will aprreciare the line up for each tracks if you have it, in order to compare with mine

Everyone knows Don Cherry’s official debut with Ornette Coleman, but how many have truly investigated the 1957 sessionography of the Jazz Messiahs? Under the leadership of saxophonist James Clay, and driven by a very young Billy Higgins, this group laid the real groundwork for what was to come. Yet, official information regarding their unreleased private acetates and live appearances from that specific year remains fragmented and often incorrect. I am currently organizing my personal archives concerning their private rehearsal tapes in Los Angeles and the mysterious dates of their concerts, including their appearances in Vancouver, Canada. Has anyone here ever tried to accurately map the tracks they played during that period and reconstruct their Canadian dates before the band broke up? I would be glad to share and compare my data with anyone interested in shedding light on this forgotten chapter.

Welcome to my personal space dedicated to the great Don Cherry. As a long-time jazz enthusiast and collector, my goal here is to share, document, and discuss the rarer side of Don Cherry’s immense musical legacy. I am particularly focused on tracking down historical details, line-ups, and unreleased recordings from his various live performances. Furthermore, I will gladly share my personal archives and data in response to any specific request or question you may have, opening up a direct exchange of information. In this thread, I will be progressively posting content regarding: • Rare tape references and concert tracking. • Detailed personnel and line-up reconstructions. • Discographical updates on obscure or bootleg releases. I am always looking to connect with fellow collectors, researchers, and anyone who shares a deep respect for Don's music. Please feel free to follow my updates, share your knowledge, and leave your comments. Thank you for stopping by! — Luciano

Thank you both! I am already in touch with Peter Losin and I am familiar with the Discogs website.

Ciao to everyone, I am looking for any available information, references, line-ups, or recordings regarding the concerts held during the Baden-Baden Free Jazz Meeting specifically for the year 1967 and 1970. Don Cherry participated in this historic session, and I am trying to track down every possible detail or tape reference for my discographical research. If anyone in this wonderful community has details or recordings from that specific 1967 session, please let me know directly in this thread. Thank you very much in advance for your fantastic help! Best regards, Luciano

Thank you very much for your reply! I am sorry, but I made a mistake in my previous message: I am actually looking for information and recordings regarding the year 1967 (not 1968) and 1970. Could you please let me know if you are able to help me track down details or tapes specifically for the 1967 session? Thank you again for your patience and help! Best regards, Luciano

Seeking information/tapes: Baden-Baden Free Jazz Meeting 1968 and 1970 Ciao to everyone, I am looking for any available information, references, line-ups, or recordings regarding the concerts held during the Baden-Baden Free Jazz Meeting for the years 1967 and 1970. I hope someone in this wonderful community can help me track down these details. Since I sometimes struggle to navigate this forum properly, please reply directly to this thread. Thank you very much in advance for your help! Best regards, Luciano Alderigi

Thanks Holy Ghost, i hope to receive some answer about this "encounter", but in this moment I'm thinking about something: it's true that Neidlinger may not claim that Cherry played with Taylor, but if he attended all the rehearsals, what was his role as a mere 'spectator'? What was he invited to do? In short, I'm convinced that Cherry played. There may not be any recordings to prove it, but he played. My only regret is that, unfortunately, during the years I knew Cherry, I knew nothing about this matter and was unable to ask him for confirmation. I'm sure he would have answered me, and I think I know how. Anyway, I also want to know 'more', so I ask you: what questions do you have about him? What do you want to know about him? Perhaps by starting a discussion between us, we could enrich our knowledge about the work of this great musician of ours. Are you up for it?

The data regarding sessions, titles and line-ups listed on Discogs is correct. There are differences between that data and the data available in the Mosaic booklet. Has anyone ever compared the data?

1. Scope of This Document This file brings together all source-based information concerning the documented and semi-documented intersections between Don Cherry and Cecil Taylor during the Candid period. Only material directly relevant to Cherry, Taylor, and the lost Candid project is included. 2. DownBeat Yearbook 1972 Buell Neidlinger briefly mentions an episode involving Don Cherry during the early 1960s Candid period. While not describing a recording, the testimony indicates Cherry’s presence around Taylor’s circle and aligns with later accounts. 3. Cadence Magazine, Vol. 12, No. 6 (June 1986) In this interview, conducted by Bob Rusch, Neidlinger recalls Cherry’s involvement in a New York R’n’B session. Although not directly tied to Taylor, it reinforces Cherry’s proximity to the same musical environment active during the Candid years. 4. Cadence Magazine, Vol. 23, No. 10 (October 1997) This interview contains the most significant testimony regarding a planned Cherry–Taylor collaboration. Neidlinger states that he organized a recording session with Cecil Taylor, that Don Cherry attended all rehearsals and was expected to be the trumpeter, and that Cherry withdrew on the eve of the session after Ornette Coleman warned him that participating would jeopardize his position in Ornette’s band. 5. The Question of Actual Musical Encounters No verified recording or documented performance confirms that Cherry and Taylor ever played together. Neidlinger’s 1997 account shows that a collaboration was planned and nearly realized. Other musicians have hinted at informal encounters, but no primary source has been verified. 6. Current Assessment There is no evidence of a completed Candid recording involving both Cherry and Taylor. The testimonies from 1972, 1986, and 1997 help reconstruct the environment in which such a project could have occurred. The 1997 interview provides the strongest indication of a near-collaboration. Further archival research may clarify whether any rehearsal tapes or documentation survive.

I’ve also found another source, in the DownBeat Yearbook 1972, where Neidlinger himself recounts the same episode. It doesn’t contradict the 1986 Cadence account — it simply presents the situation from a slightly different angle.

Just to clarify the source: the Neidlinger quote about Don Cherry and the New York City R’n’B session comes from Cadence Magazine, Vol. 12, No. 6 (June 1986). The interview was done by Bob Rusch, not Michael Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald simply indexed the material.