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Yep. Ths record I saw/heard was on Verve, not Polydor, iirc (always a dubious proposition...), and was better than the Lotus stuff.

Somebody tell me why I should have to either shut up and take it or " throw the whole damn television in the trash". Please, somebody tell me.

Exactly. So should the "conservatives" have any claim on "exclusivity" to this issue? Don't "liberals" find all this bullsht just as offensive and demeaning? I know I do. Am I alone?

I think that one's gonna get totally personal, highly variable mileage.

No disrespect, but if you believe that, I got a bridge for sale... Oh, I know. But I'm talking "legally". And if you're looking for a "wedge" issue to use on "conservatives", this is a DAMN good one, I think. Respect for "family values" vs "unrestricted commerce" on PUBLIC airwaves. Shit's outta wack, unquestionably, and who's let it happen? The Republican's FCC appointees have been very lax in this regard, Michael Powell's public pronouncements notwithstanding. More importantly, who's gonna restore some sanity and common decency? Who's gonna tell bizness that they must RESPECT US when it comesto what they use OUR airwaves for? It can be the wingnuts, or it can be us. Who do ya' trust more?

YOW!!! Thanks, Mike!

Yeah, that's a GREAT one!

If I'm watching TV with my kids, I'd just as soon not see either. I'll be the first to admit that the MNF thing was "no big deal" in the grand scheme of things. Even a little "funny" in a jocky, testosterone-for-brains- kind of way. but ABC still showed poor judgemnet, I think. Lots of kids watch MNF, and that's more of a Porky's type gag. Do you want your preteen kids watching Porky's? Look, I'm as foul-mouthed a horndog as anybody here, probably worse, but I do know the meaning of the words "discretion" and "respect". I'm not about to go into some stranger's house and call Ashlee Simpson a "no-talent media-whore cunt", especially in front of kids. And I don't think it's a show of either discretion or respect to air a bit like this in early evening, especially on a show that draws "general" audiences. At least on Fear Factor, you know upfront it's going to be some funky shit. Yeah yeah yeah, I know, the demographic for MNF skews heavily male, but trust me, early on in the evening, there's families watching. Look -you don't have to be a "conservative" to be offended by the tremendous amount of low-brow crassness that's on so much TV these days. Never mind the "decency" angle, it's an insult to our intelligence to think that the only way to entertain us is by titillating our hormones. My kids are both teeagers now, but I'll tell you this - when they were younger, I got pretty pissed more than a few times when I'd try watching a prime time with them. Sexual innuendo, generous use of inapprpropriate (for their age) language, an "approving" attitude of thinking with your dick, all that kind of stuff, was/is the norm on most shows these days, escpecially sitcoms. What I like for myself in my own time and what I enjoy watching with my family is not always the same thing. That doesn't make me a "hypocrite", it makes me somebody with a sense of "appropriateness". It's MY living room, dammit, and I'd appreciate it if the programmers would respect the fact that between 7 & 10 PM CST, what I want in my living room is not going to be the same thing as what I want after the kids go to bed, and at least give me options. BTW - whatever happened to that whole "Family Hour" concept. Whose FCC got rid of that? This began to get discussed in the "Desperate Housewives" thread, but let me say it here - There's plenty of "wingnuts" out there more than willing to take it a LOT further than it needs to be took if some common sense don't take hold. There need to be no FCC action taken whatsoever, but if a little discretion doesn't come into play somewhere fairly soon, it's going to come to that. Mock "Jesusland" all you want, but that misses the point - people with families who are tired of the indiscriminate lowbrow assaults on intelligence and "decency" as it pertains to network TV aren't limited to any one region or political orientation. Last I heard, the airwaves still legally belong to we the people, and we the people have every right to get annoyed when "laugh" and "hardon" seem to have become synonymous on our airwaves.

British (?) Verve released a live album by either this group or one very similar that smokes. Othe, slightly inferior, material from the same show has been bootlegged, but that Verve LP was outstanding.

Different strokes, I suppose. Bap-Tizum is a long-time personal favorite.

Don't be afraid.

It's pretty mellow.

Thanks, Mike. Looking forward to it!

I like that shampoo commercial where the woman orgasms. think it's funny, but is that really "family-hour" (and whose FCC got rid of that, anyway) material? Again, a reality check, please. There's plenty of "wingnuts" out there more than willing to take it a LOT further than it needs to be took if some common sense don't take hold.

Unless you're sitting down with your kids to watch the game at 7:30 CST and get caught unaware by something more suitable for after the 10:00 news. Sure it was funny, but is it really necessary for kids to see it? Not like there ws any advance warning or anything. If ABC wants to go WWF (or whatever they're called now...) so be it. But geez, there's gotsta be something better. Propriety, not content, is the issue afaic. Lots of families would rather thier youn-ish kids not see something like that, and what's wrong with that?

Or what?

I would certainly HOPE so!

And, not to argue but just to express and discuss, I've grown less enamored w/SWEET RAIN with the passage of time. Still dig it, but there's a certain element of "adventurous coasting" (those "faux blue" licks) going on in Getz' playing that I don't hear (or, more accurately, hear to a far lesser degree) on the latter album. Still a great album, though, that SWEET RAIN is.

A matter of personal preference, to be sure, but Tony vs Grady Tate tilts this one totally for me.

All I know of on the label of is a Max side and 1-2 Billy Harper sides. All I've heard is the Max in Amsterdam thing, and wow.... If nobody has a definitve listing, whatever information y'all have would be appreciated, as would general information about the label, including current ownership/plans for CD reissue, etc. Google ("Baystate" "Discography") leads to a lot of particulars, but I don't have the time to piece them all together. If anybody does have the time, it would be way cool. Looks like the label put out records by artists who have many fans in these parts. Maybe we can piece together a rough label discography here? As always, thanks in advance, and sorry for being such a tired ass.

Well, hey, Garbarek's got that way of really bending his pitch when he feels like it, as well as a natural mellismatic bent and a wide range of vibrato, so I think it's a more natural pairing than one might think at first thought, especially if you think about compatable intuitions instead of compatable externals.

Or Lake Gaylord...

Previously had just some of this stuff on Lp, bought the 1997 Cd last year, and am well-pleased. Really, nothing not to like about it.

Please do. It sounds interesting.

Well, DUH!