patricia

I'll add my thanks to Maren and to those who see where Chris and I were coming from.

Perhaps that's possible, Peter. But, if it's not, I can do a similar thing, on a new thread, over a few days. It was fun to put together the first time and will be slightly different if I do it again. The bios were not cut and pasted, but composed fresh, from reference material and put into my own words. Yeah. I talk like that, for better or worse. Thank you so much for your positive feedback. I'm not given to mood-swings, usually, but I was under a little stress then, I suppose.

Sadly, in an uncharacteristic snit I jettisined them. I was miffed when not a small amount of effort on my part was dismissed out of hand, and not just by the thread originator. It was originally a futile attempt to gentle the thread and pass on what I thought was interesting info in a random manner. I know that to some it was like the little old man, last week, who came into the patent office with his revolutionary invention for talking over long distances. He thought he might call it "the telephone". But, because I haven't spent my whole life, as many here have, listening to and loving jazz, this was a way of talking about obscure and not so obscure artists whom we don't discuss, or even hear, that often. I know that it was old hat to most, who already knew about them. But, I can create another if there is any interest. Thank you for the kind words.

Thanks Brownie.

Jeez, I hope you don't think I was talking about you because I wasn't. I haven't followed DEEP's exploits here. I saw this thread and wondered what had happened THIS time. Turns out it's just the usual Then may I suggest that you actually read a few of the threads before coming up with those sweeping generalizations? Example: "How ironic that DEEP's chief apologists have washed their hands of him after he went after them personally." I certainly did defend DEEP's right to participate in this forum; however, I am no apologist for him. I even enjoyed some of his posts. I did wash my hands of him, but he never went after me personally. I saw him go after others with a vengeance. I saw the ugly side taking complete control. I was speaking specifically of Patricia and Chris. There, better, now? I've followed their undying undevotion to DEEP for a couple of years and it's interesting to see them wax righteously indignant about what an ass he is. I could have saved everyone a lot of time and trouble and told you: DEEP IS AN ASS. I have no intention of reading his stupid threads. I'm not that hard up for entertainment. O-fricking-kay? Rainy Day, I know that you had issues with Dan when he was still posting at JC. I am not his "apologist" and I don't appreciate being catagorized as one. Perhaps you might want to read my comment on the other [*can't take the heat*] thread. I was asked about my tolerance and have answered that question as thoroughly as I can. You and I have seldom seen eye to eye on anything, not just whether there is any good in some people and we will probably always disagree about who is worthy of redemption. Nobody is just one thing. Not me, not you and not Dan either. Wouldn't life be so much easier if we were?? Don't presume to judge my motives. You don't know me.

As has been mentioned, there are few who post here who know as much about jazz, first hand as Dan does. Over the last few years I have been generously mentored by this very person who has now been banned. Much of what I know about the artform is directly due to his influence and the recommendations he has made and the encouragement he has extended to me. There are other reasons, which I won't go into, that I consider Dan my friend. He held my hand through a very difficult couple of years, just because I reached out to him. Things were black and now they're not perfect, but not so much black. I think that Christiern was also puzzled by the stranger we have encountered here in recent months. I too, thought we were friends. I kept hoping that some of Dan's unique, ascerbic wit would surface, but it never did. His musical talent is undeniable. His intelligence and kindness seem to have been replaced by something else. I really don't know what to make of it. I hope whatever it is, is temperary.

You weren't the only one Patricia. And I thought very highly of you for raising the issue. My own personal inclination was to not grant DEEP the attention he seemed to be seeking, both because it seemed like he would twist any attention into gratification, and because it seemed he would end up being nasty to anybody eventually. Hence, his use of the "c" word (which I first saw today, because I've been offline most of the week) -- but he probably thinks it's a compliment. As for the very beginning of his appearance here -- I communicated directly with Christiern about that, again because anything posted on the Board just seemed like it would quickly become grist for the DEEP-mill. But the way DEEP was talking to Chris struck me as highly offensive, and not "just kidding." And finally, one point I did address on that 90-page thing was this identity question: Maybe WINGY(I STAY BOMBED) would like to weigh in on this subject... To which DEEP immediately replied: Thanks Maren. I thought that I was alone and that scared me. The impression I got was that I was some sort of party-pooper and that what everyone, but me, could see by the content of the questioned posts was different than they appeared to me. I went back and re-read them and came away with the same impression. The assumption, on no evidence, seemed to be that the "surprise" was consentual. That's not what the original story said and I couldn't understand why everyone but me saw what wasn't there. Anyway............................

The mystery is no mystery. This was the post to which I made reference. It stood unobjected to. Was I being thin-skinned??

Son of Weizen, Thank you for drawing attention to the "C" word, used, un-objected to earlier. I was struck dumb, not believing that it was allowed to stand, considering that it is as offensive to women as the "N" word is to African Americans. Because nobody raised the issue, I started to think that I was being thin-skinned. GROPER, Your referring to me, earlier, using the dreaded and mega-offensive "C" word was crossing the line. I do hope that it is not a part of your vocabulary in your real life, since even in the "pseudo-intellectual" [another of your references] circles in which I travel, that alone would be a clear invitation to an ass-kicking. No excuse for that. I don't know you and have no idea what your attitude toward women is. As for your put-down of my apparant intellect, I am fairly well educated, but hardly an intellectual, much less a "pseudo" one. As for my "crossing the pond" to the Blue Note board, I doubt it. I've spent seven years on various boards on this side and have made many friends, including the person who has just been banned. They know that when he and I have exchanged comments on various threads, they were not serious, but just word tennis. Nobody has taught me as much about jazz and jazz history as he has and this Dr Hyde personality, sprinkled liberally with real, first-hand jazz knowledge got out of hand. He does have an over-the-top manner, as a poster, which is, I think, taken too literally. My role in these exchanges, over the years, has always been one of reasonableness in the face of insanity, much like in my real life. I am hopelessly conventional and I guess most of my friends find that strange. I do post on other threads here and am most interested in seeing others' opinions and suggestions of jazz to look for and listen to. In any case.....................

Eric, I don't own a Grove Dictionary, but I do own a shelf of jazz bios and other reference books, from which I drew interesting, I thought, bits and pieces in order to compose the apparantly superfluous bios. I don't know how to "cut and paste", so I actually had to write the bios, using my reference material. It was my futile attempt to inject some sanity to the thread. I don't do imitations of anybody, or anything. I subsequently deleted the bios, sensing that the thread had become a spectator sport. My apologies if my diversionary tactic was ineffective.

Put up any pickles lately? How's that freezer workin'? That tonic salesman been back? I don't know if I'm who Out to Lunch was calling Aunt Bea and was asking for clarification, since I seem to be the only woman posting here. It's actually kind of interesting to have someone ask to have me banned. Even when I hung with a rowdy crowd in college, which was always getting kicked out of bars and clubs, I was never banned in my life. Makes me feel kind of reckless and wild. I was always the quiet and sensible one in the group and was usually the only one not to be kicked out or in some cases, taken away by the constabulary. As for putting pickles *up*, of course not. I discovered that I could buy perfectly good pickles at the store, thereby avoiding the inconvenience and expense of buying jars and risking certain and absolute failure at this time-honoured exercise. I only have the little freezer part that comes, at no charge, with my fridge. As for the tonic salesman, I had high hopes, but that trampy neighbour woman has her net out and she always snags all the good ones that happen by. The fried chicken recipe is a wash. I'm a vegetarian, so I would only be guessing. Sorry.

Am I Aunt Bea?? I posted here, but I wasn't aware that I had offended anyone. Is everyone who posted on this thread, no matter what they posted, banned?? That, it seems to me, would include you too. Just asking.

That pickup truck must be unlike any other pickup truck in the civilized world. If he's lost, we shouldn't have any trouble finding it.

"The fist" my ASS!! WHERE THE FUCK IS *GOOBER*?? How long does it take to drive a herd of sheep to Dodge City in a pickup truck?? He shoulda been back hours ago. (Maybe the turn signal on his truck broke down and he didn 't know his right hand from his left to use hand signals) [Or maybe his left hand was doin' somethin' nasty with his peepee!!] I'm bustin' a fuckin' gut. This cat has gotta be a piece o' work. DEEP Nobody drives a herd of sheep to town in a pickup truck. They wouldn't all fit in a pickup truck. Sheep are BIG. A herd of sheep would be herded to Dodge by a shepherd, with one of those crooked stick things, guided only by a star in the East. Holy man. City folk!!!

And yet peacocks, which have many plumes extruding from their posteriors, are considered quite dignified. Oh the irony.

I would have to say that the decision will have to be taken under advisement. With plumes protruding from their butts, already making them look really stupid, why further undermine their inherent dignity as a fellow human being, by making them also wear the hat?? That would be just mean.

You are lightening fast, Moose. I've been having a problem that involves me having to "back" and then when I press "add reply" again, the comment appears twice. I then have to delete one. I don't know what is causing the error message, but you're the first one who has seen the comment appearing twice. Sorry about that. It was an equipment malfunction and not a reason for me to wear the coveted "goober" beanie. You're not stupid. You're just unbelievably fast.

I think that one's already taken by another poster on this thread... Some days I think that we are a whole roomful of idiots, including me. So I reserve the right to dignify the designation as someone with brief lapses in intelligence, but generally thoughtful and caring individuals, posting profound truths, indespersed with shots of whimsy. None of us can predict our own lapses into stupidity, due to overtiredness, or overindulgence in the grain or the grape and subsequent posting here instead of getting some sleep.

definition provided by Hot Diggity. The definition of goober or other words, or any other opinions expressed by Hot Diggity do not represent the sentiments of this poster or the Organissimo posting forums. The surgeon general has determined that definitions may cause loose stool. Void where prohibited. Love it. Love it!!! OR to quote one of our own frequent and succinct posters, DUH!!! Although it's always risky to describe someone else as a goober, or as less than brilliant. We never know when any one of us, having said something really stupid, may have to take over the wearing of the designated GOOBER HAT. I believe that it is a purple and puce beanie, with eighteen giant plumes affixed.

There is no Santa Claus, just unofficial representatives, in fake beards on every street corner. There is no Easter Bunny, as evidenced by the pictures of him supposedly carrying a basketful of chocolate eggs. Faked, obviously, since rabbits have no opposable thumb. Similarly, there is no BIG BROTHER GOOBER. A goober is a peanut, and peanuts are not in positions of power and authority. So, rest easy.

Patricia, who called you a name? Was it, er, one poster in particular--one with two personalities? (And I don't mean Dr. Achtung or the Red Menace. ) If so, shall we prepare a nice long rail? I'll bring the tar and feathers... I've, as you see, forgotten all about it and am now as mellow as ever. But, thank you for the offer of the requisite tar, feathers and a rail to run whoever it was out of town. I say again though, I've forgotten all about it. No worries.

My mod a-go-go stretch elastic pants. Technically not a body part, but they show all of'em, so close enough. Please. I'm just about to eat my lunch. I do hope you don't also have a thong that you wear on top of your stretch pants, with a contrasting tank top. YEWWW.

So, you're the one!!!!!

Well, Sheldon. "Twerp" is pretty mild, in the great tradition of name calling. I have been called worse, on this very board and I'm afraid reacted badly. Being called a name is indeed hurtful and disrespectful, but keeping our heads, while all around us folks are losing theirs is still the best tactic. Responses are a natural reaction, but respectful rebuttal, keeping our eye on the ball, is always best. Any other tactic results in saying things here that just make it worse. I know that as well as anybody. Nobody died. So, there's that. Dan. I agree with you. Nobody can be expected to totally ignore derogatory comments directed at them, although I keep remembering my mother saying that responding to insults only encourages the person insulting us to ramp up the tirade. I tend to react with my gut as well. Not good. But, what else can I do?? I know that ignoring and moving on is the best, but I am who I am, a scrapper. What can I tell you??

Combine the two and you need an engineer to get the statics right. Exactly. I've often wondered just who these freaks attract. But, that's just me I guess.