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I can't say enough about 2-14-68. The Alligator jam on Anthem of the Sun is lifted from this show--from the drums segment through the "Alligator!" reprise. The full version is around three times as long and ten times as fiesty. Sure, Miller just redid this show in amazing quality--but he was working from 2 track. This release has been mixed off the original 8 track and the sound is as glorious as Anthem's. True, the earlier set is a tad weak, but look at the extras and the bonus discs. 2 x Viola Lee Blues from early 68? Think of it like this: All the material from the Fillmore West box had been around--but the box is so much better soundwise, etc that it was well worth it. Same here. Buy it while you can still get the bonus disc. By the by--check this out: http://gratefulbreed.blogspot.com/search/l...Grateful%20Dead Here you will find among other gems the original mix of Aoxomoxoa and the "outtakes." Buncha other fine stuff.

Hart's dad got "religion" and became a minister in some looney church. So yes.

Unsmoked cigarettes - estimated to bring $1,000 - $1,200? How m uch for the unsmoked reefers. Oh--there aren't any of those. Damn.

My hope would be a Road Trip of those Manhattan Center shows, a Road Trip from late Fall 71, a big assed box set from Europe '72, and a Road Trip of the '72 "Texas Trippn run through your home state. Sure, you can find them all--but not in top quality. Oh--and a Road Trip Fillmore East Sept 70. And and and and and . . . . I do like the Road Trips as they avoid redundancy in later shows and make for a good, clean listen.

Hi Lon. Been busy doing abslutely nothing. Meant to post my dislike of the Winterland Box set. Yuck. Playing is weak. Thought Road Trips Three was okay, but that ir reflected their long vacation after the Fillmore East. This was a band that got better and better during tours. The Htyo H, is, of course a gem. And I welcome any neewly unearhted Lovelights. Best thing this year is Three From the Vault. IMHO.

The piano was way out of tune ( for starters). The "From Egypt With Love" shows that followed at Winterland are much better. They did this box simply to cash in.

OK, I might not be too rich, but I do qualify as a genuine 70s head. Let's do a thought experiment. How many people here would trade their Grateful Dead collections for Phish music at the rate of 1 Dead show - 1.4 Phish shows? Don't you mean Fish?

Of course, it is pretty redundant . . . . . but so was the first big box. Why no Pig tunes?

http://www.deadnetstore.com/winterla...k-listing.aspx Peanuts, get yer red hot peanuts. Winterland Box Sets, get yer Winterland Box Sets. Finally . . . .

Yep. You always knew in your heart that the missing piece of this life-altering show could be patched from Anthem, right? Required listening, folks. This one will be on the test. This one is the test! Easily in my top ten (of course that's limited to 1966-72). Let's raise a glass to Uncle Charlie--that man deserves to be canonized, at least!

Drum roll please . . . . 2-14-68 Charlie Miller Upgrade complete with patch from Anthem (no more ugly cut). Shnflac. Hop on it kids!

I'm a sick, sick man!

Thanks guys But I am confused. Did you mean someone vintage to suck pig? Get porked? Or are you calling me vintage? Please clarify. Be careful what you write, for the PEN is mightier than the sword!!!! I'm heading up to the mountains on this cold but sunny day to listen once again to the Good Lovin--Caution from Copenhagen and maybe a nice slice of 1969.

That would be beyond fantastic... :rsmile: Cryptical> Other One> Cryptical> Clementine> Death Don't 1-26-69 last time played

These shows were all recorded for Anthem. Unfortunately, they didn't copy each tape and many were cut up an reassembled for the finished work. Lots of teases and partial shows from this time. But tons of gold. Oddly, much of the meat from Anthem side two is available in complete form. The Shrine show from 1967 with the main section of Caution and the 2-14-68 show with the bulk of Aligator are out there. I think a bit more of Caution is on the 1968 DP release. Clementine--such a difficult song to play--never seemed to be the same song twice. There are--what?--five GD versions, a few Heartbeat versions and the one studio jam out there? Shame that it never entered into the rotation. Imagine Dark Star--St. Stephen--the Eleven--Clementine. Or just Dark Star--Clementine. You know, it's amazing how beloved "rock" music from 40 years ago still has such an impact.

The Easy Wind on Workingman's? What a tight version. The swap in leads always gets me going. The wierd thing about Pig is the low number of songs he had in the repetoire. Alligator, Caution, Lovelight, Good Lovin, Easy Wind, Big Boss Man, Next Time You See Me, The Rub, Hard to Handle, Smokestack Lighting, Good Morning Little Schoogirl, It's a Man's World, Mr. Charlie, Chinatown Shuffle, The Same Thing, Two Souls in Communion, Operator, Empty Pages, It Hurts Me Too, Searchin, Pain In My Heart, Katie Mae, Run, Rudolph, Run--many of these were performed only a few times. He was beginning to write near the end--three of the listed songs are his--but we will never know what else he might have produced. True too, that he sang one song for every three that Bob and Jerry sang. His job was always to bring the crowd to its feet, to make them get their hands out of their pockets and find some little lady and . . . It wasn't just the songs; it was stage presence. No one else in the group even came close.

Who is this Pigpen character? Wasn't he the guy in Peanuts who always walked into a dirt pile? One comment: many of Pig's songs produced some of the finest jamming the Dead ever did. Alligator, Good Lovin', Caution, Lovelight, Hard to Handle. And SMOKESTACK LIGHTING!!!! (Never the same thing twice). And his short tunes were always played tight and mean. I cannot imagine him singing post 72 as the instruments and playing style became way too light for his roughness (not a slam on post 72 Dead, just a comment). As to Pig himself: all of you IMMEDIATELY git yo' hands out of yo'pockets and play 4-17-72 Good Lovin--Caution--Who Do You Love--Caution--Good Lovin for Pig's astonishing rap--his vocals blend perfectly with the intricacies of the music, and the music is phenominal. Also, while everyone listens to the Priceton 1971 Good Lovin or the 4-25 version on the Fillmore East compilation ( a great box), listen to 4-26. There is no rap at all; instead there is some of the most amazing fire the band ever produced. Similar to the 4-29 jam, but every bit as intense. A great example of the band using Pig's energy as a launching pad to the edges of the universe.

Indeedee: Winterland 1973. The cover was exactly the same as the Fillmore Box--the skull and roses. As to that hoax about the Europe '72 box--my apologies!!!

What is a "Pig Pen"? Sorry to have been off line and out of touch. Battling my own body, I guess. Did someone mention the sacred Gaelic Park concert? The last P.P. Hard to Handle? Empty Pages? 242 St. Subway stop? Were you the guys throwing the marshmellows?

Since when? How are things,Lon? As to out negaposter--I think it's refreshing every so often to be reminded that not everyone likes the dead, and fewer like them from start (1965) to finish (1995). There are a lot of anti-deadites in the world, and I can understand them not liking the endless noodling or having a taste for Cownboy songs and Pigpen. Hell, if we all liked one band, there would be no Other. So, thanks for posting. Really. Somebody has to keep Lonin his place!

I guess I'll just have to settle with the fact that my birthday is the same as Satchmo's. . . . . I really like Three from the Vault. I was hatched. That is one of the finest Smokestacks there is. Jerry's light sliding--whew.

That's what I get for "skimming" the thread. Man, did I have fun with that one. I posted it on the archive.org g.d. thread several months ago, and it got picked up and reposted all over the place. "Yentle Pig"? The "bonus disc" is actually a repeat of the bonus material from the Rhino Anthem reissue in the box set. Kind of a slap in the face rip off. With so much unreleased material (at least not remastered officially), it's a shame that they are already repackaging what we already have. But, then, Rhino is a division of Warner Bros.

That's what happens when you DON'T take LSD for 60 years! BTW: Three From The Vault is coming this month. It is 2-19-71--the show planned and mixed 15 years ago for the same release. Some vintage Pig--a superb Smokestack Lightning with Jerry laying on a little slide near the end--crying the blues! Check out the new Dead.net--a work in progress. How are things going, Lon?

here we go: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...&id=1642798 No other info at this time--although several posters at other sites picked up one of my sarcastic posts and mistook it for real, attributing it to Rhino!: This is in a forum at Jerome's "Rhino posted this on their web site this morning: Grateful Dead: Three From the Vault. This release will be a departure from the previous two releases in that it will feature the artistry of the lateRon McKernan, a.k.a. Pigpen. Pig was for a time the true leader of the Grateful Dead, and we feel a collection of his best work is long overdue. Included in this special boxed set--which will come with a 20 page booklet from Dennis McNally, will be such tunes as Bobby Bland's "Turn On Your Lovelight," the late James Brown's "It's a Man's, Man's World," Lightnin' Hopkins' "She's Mine" and "Katie May," The Coasters' hit, "Searchin," Jimmy Reed's "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin,'" and "In the Midnight Hour." There will be a bonus disc entitled "Yentle Pig" which will contain snippets of the Reverend Ron's various marriage ceremonies and hook ups live on stage." The link doesn't appear to be there now though!

Yeah--what do they think of Deborah Koontz?