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I have this and a compilation I can't find an image for. Not my favorite stuff, but I've kept them both for further listening. Maybe they will sound better to me further down the line.
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The key is keeping it all in perspective. I can feel a special connection to one group of people, but still want to connect with and experience the dynamics of all the others.
I think your statement best summarizes the good intentions we were discussing.
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I dunno, maybe when he figured out he is in that top 5% of the country that can afford the tickets he gets?
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"I guess it all depends on the intent behind the expression of pride in one's self, when that pride stems from something other than individual achievements."
That was the jist of what I was getting at. "Intent" has a lot to do with it.
"...foods, music(!), decorations, dance, folk-art, folklore, and shared history..."
It is important to recognize that history is entirely "shared history," which goes hand in hand with having the right "intentions." Also, these items you list represent perfect paths leading everyone to relate to each other. With the right intent one appreciates the flavors of foreign foods, the intricacy of foreign dances, the aesthetics of foreign folk art, etc.
A side note from my ever-random brain: Women are the real antidote to racism. I've seen sexy ones from all corners of the world! :rsmile:
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I have "One From The Vault" and "Two From The Vault" and both are excellent. I'll second the recommendation of "Blues For Allah" and add "Workingman's Blues," my favorite studio Dead album.
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Rooster Ties, thanks for taking the time to address this with me. I hope I don't come across badly, this is a touchy topic.
It was my thinking that if we collectively abandoned these cultural identities and were only proud of our own individual accomplishments then we would be closer to judging everyone by their individual merits.
I certainly am not blind to the way white racism created the black power movement. Surely a reaction of that sort is necessary in the face of such oppression.
Every person is an individual, yet we categorize each other mercilessly.
If cultural pride doesn't say "we're better than everyone else," what does it say? Why "proud?" Without intending to it is still exclusive.
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Lucky Thompson Lucky Strike
Jackie McLean Lights Out!
Johnny Lytle Nice & Easy
Yusef Lateef Eastern Sounds
Idris Muhammad LOAJ
Pat Martino East
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Great links RT, thanks.
I just had a thought:
Are any of you guys "proud of your cultural heritage"? When I look back at my family tree and I imagine my ancestors in Ireland or Holland or Germany, it is sort of neat. But am I "proud"? No. I'm proud of my own acheivements, not people who lived before me and happened to be from the same part of the world. I think this sort of "pride" is thinly-disguised racism.
I've seen Latin dudes with "Brown Pride" in letterforms on their windshields. It is sort of saying "proud to not be white," defensively. Just imagine "White Pride" on a windshield...
Noj, if I'm reading your post right, here's an answer. (If not, it won't make the least bit of sense, but oh well!
)What you have to keep in mind when dealing with issues of "cultural pride" is that the culture of the United States routinely downplays the contributions of nonwhite cultures. There is no need to celebrate the cultural heritage of those of us who come from white European stock; it's already done by the society as a whole. On the other hand, African-Americans, Hispanics (whatever that term means!) and Asian-Americans see their contributions to society routinely ignored by the press, history books, etc. The celebration of their cultural heritage is their way of saying "hey, I count too!"
When living in a racist society, it simply isn't fair to expect a minority to react to the situation in the same way as the majority.
I can see the motivation. That's what I meant by "defensively." It is a reaction. I still see it as an obstacle to unity.
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Jack is at nearly every Laker home game, and has attended for a very long time(before the Lakers started winning again). In fact, his movie contracts stipulate that no meetings or filming be scheduled during Laker games.
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Great links RT, thanks.
I just had a thought:
Are any of you guys "proud of your cultural heritage"? When I look back at my family tree and I imagine my ancestors in Ireland or Holland or Germany, it is sort of neat. But am I "proud"? No. I'm proud of my own acheivements, not people who lived before me and happened to be from the same part of the world. I think this sort of "pride" is thinly-disguised racism.
I've seen Latin dudes with "Brown Pride" in letterforms on their windshields. It is sort of saying "proud to not be white," defensively. Just imagine "White Pride" on a windshield...
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Is anyone else getting corrupted mp3s with intermittent pauses of silence? Really aggravating to take the time to download a file only to have the music screwed up.
I was really wanting this Sonny Phillips track and downloaded it 3 times to no avail. -
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I began responding to this several times yesterday before stopping myself as I felt the crucial points were eloquently addressed in the first few posts exchanged. I have a very diverse group of friends, and it is through common activities and tastes that we have remained friends since junior high school. It has not mattered that one is black/Native American/Italian, that others are Mexican, that another is Punjabi Hindu, that another is Cuban, that still another is Argentinian...
But, I too have noticed that groups like mine are exceptions to the rule.
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I only have 4 of those above, and Kofi is my favorite of the 4. I like Electric Byrd but not as much.
Looks like I need to get the Patton.
My favorite McDuff is Moon Rappin', but I dig the grease on Down Home Style too. :rsmile:
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I have quite a few Rare Grooves but by no means all of them.
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Three threads worth of music I want to get. I've got a long way to go. :rsmile:
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...Lonnie's tribute to Hendrix was far from successful IMHO.
The problem is even the greatest rock musicians' songbooks don't have the harmonic structures that facilitate great jazz improvisation beyond a song or two...
Would you mind explaining this further Soul Stream, with an example or two? What rock songs were good for jazz improvisation?
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Lonnie doesn't put out a solo album for an eternity. And when he does, it's a tribute to Beck!
Now I am convinced. That Mother Fucker is CRAZY!
When I first read the posts, I thought the Beck references were a joke. I thought "Boogaloo To Beck" was just a title, not a concept album! Wow. This is the freakiest thing I've seen in a while. Can't wait to get it. What's next....Lonnie Smith plays 'N Sync?
Beck has FAR more musical ability than the vomitous N'Sync, just to be a stickler.
It could have been, "what's next, Lonnie plays Portishead?" That would have been closer to the mark.
"Loser," his biggest song, is one of few Beck songs I hate. "Sexx Laws" was also a stinker. Lonnie should have done more songs from Mellow Gold.
Beck always has great graphic design on his covers! :rsmile:
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I'm a fan of Beck's music and I have some great 70s Lonnie Smith, so I'm definitely interested. I'm actually a little disappointed in the choice of tracks, but still intrigued.
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Charming stuff, she would have been an excellent children's book artist. This is not meant as an insult, there is a good market for children's book illustration. :rsmile:
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Mickey & The Soul Generation Peg Leg: Complete Recordings
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OK, I'm going obscure on y'all...
SLEDGE HAMMER--detective who conversed with his gun! This show was hilarious, I don't know why it only lasted two seasons. "Trust me, I know what I'm doing..."
DR. JECKLE & MR. HYDE TOGETHER AGAIN--HBO cocaine spoof movie!
STEVE MARTIN'S GREATEST SHOW EVER--HBO special, Steve Martin wins the Olympic diving competition!
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$1 a song is WAY too much. Considering in my first $10 month at emusic I have downloaded nearly 300 songs...
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I have this one and it really didn't grab me. I'd also like to read more Phineas suggestions...
Race and Racial Interaction, in America and beyond
in Miscellaneous - Non-Political
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LA has neighborhoods that are mostly populated by a certain ethnicity. My city Burbank used to be nearly all white. Glendale has many Armenians. Alhambra, Asian. Inglewood, black. San Fernando, Hispanic. There are Russian areas, Jewish areas, Korean areas, etc. So, yeah, I think I do live in a hyper-segregated city.
Funny, I think some of the most diverse neighborhoods in LA are the richest ones. I have met very wealthy people out here of all ethnicities--there is some hope in that. This also lends credibility to a belief I have that there are few exceptional individuals who make things happen for themselves, and there are many unexceptional people who do not. Race cannot impede the success of the very determined, the very gifted, the very intelligent...
It is the gray matter that matters, know what I mean? :rsmile: