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Futura Ger 12 Michel Portal (sax.alto, clar.basse), John Surman (sax.sop & bar., clar.basse), Barre Phillips (basse), Stu Martin (drums) Jean-Pierre Drouet (perc.) "Alors !!!" - 27.01.1970 Can't be too bad. Still in print. Prices are very reasonable. ..."buying freeze", you say?

Thanks for that link! Didn't know they had a website (never searched, either). ubu THey had an ugly old website that hasn't been updated for years - it listed their old LPs as well (the new one does not) - there was some very intriguing stuff there as far as I remember. Now, the new site lists a lot of stuff I was interested in (including Shepp's "Attica Blues" live thing) as sold out - just when I purchased nearly all the Hats I was looking for and was planning to enjoy an honest buying freeze! As for the Terrones CDs I know, I can highly recommend Ted Curson's "Pop Wine", beautiful Waldron/Dyani's "Some Jive Ass Boer" and Richard Davis' "Total Package" (with mighty Ricky Ford on tenor).

Yeahm Marge, Futura and a couple of other imprints are part of the Terrones group of labels. See here: http://disquesfuturaetmarge.ifrance.com/di...sfuturaetmarge/ They have a lot of great stuff, actually. Frank Lowe, Ted Curson, Waldron, Shepp, Richard Davis, etc. And they are sitting on a Sharrock live record! Lancaster is lame, lame, lame. Beautiful alto sound though, but that's it.

I really like both Hill's "Lifet Every Voice" and Shepp's "Attica Blues" (I don't have "...in Concert" thing - it's on Terrones label). I'll get these Gale CDs some day. And it is the same reissue lable that did Ayler and (very lame) Byard Lancaster last year with excellent sound quality. Good.

Cut it out with all this Lauren Newton nonsence, get the QUARTETT disc now and enjoy REALLY good singing!

Tony, have you had a chance to listen to Shipp/Maneri's "Gravitational Systems"? I would be interested in knowing your opinion - it's a very..hmmm.. "non-obvious" disc. I ccommit to trying to listen to Joe Maneri's "Tenderly" and "Coming Down the Mountain" over the weekend and positng my opinion here.

Looks like NEWSONIC is out of business. I again encourage everybody (ho-ho) to chekc out their releases (there are a lot of mp3s on the website), particularly an absolutely fantasctic and highly original "Alchemusic" by Kevin Uehlinger.

I meant the Maneri/Shipp, not "Dissonant Characters". Like it! Gotta listen more, but like it! ubu What I like so much about it is that Maneri's response to Shipp is absolutely unpredictable. For example, on "Greensleves" (that I've learned to hate, even in Coltrane's performance, precisely for that - predictability of how it might be interpreted), he is responbding absolutely not in the way that SHipp's playing would suggest he "should" respond. Even more so for the composition 8 - Shipp starts with some romantic-melancholic-brooding-beautiful (and a bit banal) figure, and you can already see how Maneri should enter - but he does something absolutely different!... but it fits greatly. All in all, a beautiful music with a lot of fascinating interaction (subtle and otherwise); Maneri is simply formidable (and with beatiful sound) and Shipp interests me more and more with his mathematical approach.

Interesting. I've never heard of MIchael Marcus. How would you describe his playing? Eric Dolphy/Sonny Simmons. Plays some mean bass clarinet. Good composer. He is a partner of Sonny Simmons in Cosmosamatics, actually.

Gebbia and Parker duo. Can you imagine how THIS could sound like? I can't. has this been released? I'd love to hear this...no idea if it would be succesful at all... From what I know, no. But you can get excellent Parker-Braxton duet on Leo. Braxton is not Gebbia of course, but... Hey, I think we are going in circles (like Evan Parker soprano solos) - I am pretty sure we dicussed Parker somewhere up already. New release from Victo: Barre Phillips / Joëlle Léandre / William Parker / Tetsu Saitoh "After You Gone". Looks scary, ah? Press release HERE.

Gebbia and Parker duo. Can you imagine how THIS could sound like? I can't.

O-ho-ho, that's the best way to introduce one's presence at the Funny Rat thread! Welcome, Matthew! I also don't have "Never Too Late...", and I also intend to buy it eventually. But not too soon - I over-Brötzmanned a bit over tha last year, so I thought some other artists should benefit from my attention in 2004. Brötzmann's album I listen most often to recently is actually not a Brötzmann's album: Frode Gjerstad trio with Peter Brötzmann "Sharp Knives Cut Deeper". I listen to it in the car and I think this is one of the main reasons of my constant speeding - the music is very STIMULATING. As I emntioned earlier, Brötzmann is definitely a more gentle player here. Paal Nilssen-Love is a terrific drummer (I think he is now replacing Hamid Drake in Brötzmann's tentet, and may I say, I think tentet will sound even better with him)! But other than Brötzamann there is a lot of excellent STIMULATING music - read this thread from start to finish attentively (trying to keep your sanity intact), purchase all the CDs recommended here (present the receipt to free jazz police in upstate NY) and transform your neighbours' perception of reality forever. Meanwhile, I received Shipp's Multiplicaiton Table, so the only hatOLOGY item I am still searching for is Rara Avis. More - new INTAKT catalog mentions an upcoming (AUtumn 2004) 3CD set of Monks compositions played by a swinging chaka-chaka hard-bop quartet featuring Alexander von Schlippenbach, Axel Dörner, Rudi Mahal, Jan Roder and Uli Johannessen. I hope they play "Locomotive", my favorite Monk's composition. 3CD set! 3!!! Monk!

Hmm... I don't remember it being that wonderful... Will listen to it today.

Hey, this one looks really interresting - I'll try to be there.

king ubu, thanks. I will try to go to most of these concerts. The club is really close: 15 minutes of drive from me or more likely, 15-minute train ride + 7-minute refreshing walk (since watchful Swiss police is about to confiscate my driving license for speeding). It might be also a good way to obtain some of the CDs by the artists in this inhumane country (today I received some bills from La Poste: import taxes for CDs - insane!). BTW, the Reid-Sharp-Torn "GTR OBLQ" is fantastic - dark, sometimes funky and groovy, often bluesy, very melodic (I was expecting (hoping?) more NOISE. Good stuff.

Ubu, There are a couple of nice concerts here in Geneva soon: Dimanche 15: Chris Speed: saxophones et clarinettes. Jim Black: batterie. Cuong Vu: trompette. Skulli Sverisson: guitare basse. Ted Reichman: accordéon. Samedi 21: Pierre Favre: batterie et percussion. Yang Jing: pipa. Mars, Jeudi 11: VANDENMARK 5, Ken Vandenmark: reeds. Dave Rempis: saxophones. Jeb Bishop: trombone. Kent Kessler: contrebasse. Tim Daisy: batterie. Mars, Jeudi 25: PACHORA, Brad Shepik: tampura, guitare et saz. Chris Speed: clarinette. Skulli Sverisson: guitare basse. Jim Black: batterie et percussions. All at AMR: http://www.amr-geneve.ch/ Do you know any of the other musicians? And here is one in Zürich on April 1st: FABRIKJAZZ Rote Fabrik, Seestr. 395, 8037 Zürich Do, 1. April, Rote Fabrik Gerry Hemingway Quartet (US) Ellery Eskelin, sax; Herb Robertson, tp; Mark Dresser, b; Gerry Hemingway, dr Not too bad, ah?

Anybody already heard this one (I think it's just released): Their Southern Extreme (on Drimala) is stunning, so I am curious to hear more.

Just received a new catalog from INTAKT. Among many interesting releases expected in 2004, is a double CD of Braxton / Cyrille duo. Looking forward. Are there any other Braxton-drums duos, except for the one with Max Roach, by the way?

Is it DA SHIT or what?!?!?!?!

I contacted Frank Gratkowski directly, and he said that he does not have any copies left but would burn me a CDR if Georg Gräwe would agree. Today I received a message with an apology from Frank, saying that Gräwe is against burning a CDR! Amazing.

No for Thesis. Ubu, let me know what you think of Maneri/Shipp. Now, I wouldn't mind some Derek Bailey recommendations - I don't think I have anything by him in my collection. Now, thinking of this, I think I have a couple of CDs with Bailey, but probably not the most "representative" ones. I remember enjoying a lot this one: I also saw him live in duo with Susie Ibarra, and was underwhelmed by both - uninspired noodling with very little listening to each other.

I also got the Orchester 33 1/3 disc, and enjoyed it a lot - I will post my impressions of it in due course. John, Herbie Hancock's contribution is actually the least interesting part of this great Last Exit album Latge, thanks for recommendation on Morris - I might check Illuminate out. The only problem is that I am not a particularly big fan of Rob Brown and William Parker either, so my hope is only on Jackson Krall

From what I've heard, no.

I haven't. I will most likely skip the Leo one, since Joe Morris plays guitar on it, but I might eventually pick up the one on Riti, since Morris plays bass there (and surprisingly, he is a very reserved bass player), and I am curious to hear what Lantner will sound like with bass and drums.

Listened to it today for the first time, and liked it quite a bit. It does get pretty dense and directionless at times (and at 70+ minutes the CD is a probably tad too long), but overall I find the musicancip and (particularly) interplay to be on a very high level, keeping me interested most of the time. The music is very much in the academic tradition of the XX century (2nd Viennese school, etc.), to my ear. And I like it.