SGUD missile Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 (edited) If you don't think of atonality when you think of Schoenberg, then I'm not sure what to say! Okay. You're right. Schonberg's post-Transfigured Night work is very obviously dissonant...atonal...whatever. I was simply trying to make a point regarding the use of the word "atonal". I think that too often it gets used in relation to the 12-tone row when, (again) as I understand it, the 12-tone row was developed as a method of composing progressions, not harmonies (e.g. the organization of multiple tones at any one given moment). You see what I'm saying...? close ..but: The serial procedures were primariy designed to AVOID the remaining restrictions of very advanced ( although triadically based ) chromatic harmonic practices ( eg: Transfigured Night was a latter example of the "before" picture ) They were based on rule and sets designed to bring an equality to the twelve tones by linear and contrapuntal means in the basic sense ..progressions were not a feature of the style ..harmonies resulted from: 1. a concurrence of any number of contrapuntal horizontal lines or 2. clusters of pitches drawn from the basic pitch" sets " ( pitch sets being the 48 tone configuration resulting from the four twelve tone row forms : original , backwards [retrograde], inverted [ a mirror of the original row where the interval between two pitches goes UP equally where it went DOWN in the original row] and retrograde of the inversion .. gee ..wasn't that pedantic of me? serial musically definitely did NOT feel greasy Edited February 17, 2005 by SGUD missile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 If you don't think of atonality when you think of Schoenberg, then I'm not sure what to say! Okay. You're right. Schonberg's post-Transfigured Night work is very obviously dissonant...atonal...whatever. I was simply trying to make a point regarding the use of the word "atonal". I think that too often it gets used in relation to the 12-tone row when, (again) as I understand it, the 12-tone row was developed as a method of composing progressions, not harmonies (e.g. the organization of multiple tones at any one given moment). You see what I'm saying...? close ..but: The serial procedures were primariy designed to AVOID the remaining restrictions of very advanced ( although triadically based ) chromatic harmonic practices ( eg: Transfigured Night was a latter example of the "before" picture ) They were based on rule and sets designed to bring an equality to the twelve tones by linear and contrapuntal means in the basic sense ..progressions were not a feature of the style ..harmonies resulted from: 1. a concurrence of any number of contrapuntal horizontal lines or 2. clusters of pitches drawn from the basic pitch" sets " ( pitch sets being the 48 tone configuration resulting from the four twelve tone row forms : original , backwards [retrograde], inverted [ a mirror of the original row where the interval between two pitches goes UP equally where it went DOWN in the original row] and retrograde of the inversion .. gee ..wasn't that pedantic of me? serial musically definitely did NOT feel greasy yeah man, I'm hip: disfuncional tonality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alon Marcus Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 The AMG used to have a glossary of terms in its classical part in the past. Can't find it now for some reason. Anyone has recommendations for a good musical glossary online? Anyone knows where did the AMG glossary disappeared? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Burke Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Grove. But you have to be a member now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Cool discussion, guys! I love it when I learn new stuff. Which as you might guess happens regularly around here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Why not just call it distonalamatcism, and drive it down the twelve-ton road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Why not just call it distonalamatcism, and drive it down the twelve-ton road? Sold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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