Help with Hank Marr

[Dan Gould]

Two questions, if anyone can help:

I've found a 45 on Wingate records - would this be the same Hank Marr who recorded for King and later for Doubletime?

There's also a Marr 45 on Federal, which I understand was a King subsidiary. Is it safe to assume that Federal 45s were edits of his King hits like Greasy Spoon? The strange thing is that the flip side is "I Can't Go On" which I don't think appears on any of the three King LPs ...

Thanks!

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Is this Wingate WG 012 you have? If not, you've got new information that I'd love to know about. Same Hank Marr as far as I know.

I would have thought that the Federal issues were the originals and the King LPs combined them. Were the Federal singles duplicated by King singles?

I Can't Go On is supposedly on King LP 829 "Latest Teentime Dance Steps".

Mike

[Dan Gould]

Is this Wingate WG 012 you have? If not, you've got new information that I'd love to know about. Same Hank Marr as far as I know.

I would have thought that the Federal issues were the originals and the King LPs combined them. Were the Federal singles duplicated by King singles?

I Can't Go On is supposedly on King LP 829 "Latest Teentime Dance Steps".

Mike

Yeah, its Wingate 012 that the dealer has. Do you know if its straight organ or with a tenor?

As far as King/Federal goes, I was only aware of the Club 502, Greasy Spoon, and Sounds from the Marr-Ket Place albums, it sounds like they grabbed another tune from another King LP for the Federal 45.

Thanks for the help, Mike.

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Bruyninckx CDROM lists personnel as "Hank Marr (org) with unknown ts, g, b-g, and d

Lord CDROM 5.0 copies this exact info.

God bless these folks:

http://capitolsoulclub.homestead.com/Detro...elsWINGATE.html

which shows that there is another Wingate that has Hank Marr and Sonny Stitt - not listed in either Bruyninckx or Lord. Get searching!!!!

These guys have a soul label index like what is on my page for jazz labels:

http://capitolsoulclub.homestead.com/LabelListingsKey.html

Mike

[Dan Gould]

Bruyninckx CDROM lists personnel as "Hank Marr (org) with unknown ts, g, b-g, and d

Lord CDROM 5.0 copies this exact info.

God bless these folks:

http://capitolsoulclub.homestead.com/Detro...elsWINGATE.html

which shows that there is another Wingate that has Hank Marr and Sonny Stitt - not listed in either Bruyninckx or Lord. Get searching!!!!

I'm on it!

Do ya think "Hank's Groove" and "Stitt's Groove" are the same tunes?

[Dan Gould]

Just found one of the Stitts, but not the one with Marr.

http://www.estoreuk.net/northernsoul/listings/77.html

[Dan Gould]

And I just found this interesting Wingate listing:

Wingate 007 A

Pack The Tears Come Rollin' Oct-65

Group later changed name to Grand Funk Railroad.

[Michael Fitzgerald]

I see 4 or 5 folks listing the Marr/Stitt single online. As low as $6.

I kind of think they are different tunes. No idea whether Stitt and Marr actually play together.

Mike

[Dan Gould]

Really? I tried a google search and a gemm search and nothing fell out yet. What was your search term?

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Google - "stitt's groove" - 9 results. Check 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

Mike

[Dan Gould]

I kind of think they are different tunes. No idea whether Stitt and Marr actually play together.

Mike

According to this, its the same tune but Stitt and Marr do not play together:

In January of 1966 Wingate released ‘Marr’s Groove’ b/w ‘Stitt’s Groove’ (WIN 011). Both sides of the 45 featured the same basic backing track, with Hank Marr playing piano and organ on the ‘Marr’s Groove’ side and Sonny Stitt doing the same with sax on his side

http://funky16corners.tripod.com/9_organgrooves.htm

[Michael Fitzgerald]

Very interesting! And that date is good to know too - Stitt's other Wingate stuff has been listed as "1950s?" which has got to be wrong.

Mike

[Dan Gould]

This page has details on all of the Stitt and Marr recordings for Wingate:

Wingate 006 A

Sonny Stitt The Double-O-Soul Of Sonny Stitt (Part One) Oct-65

Wingate 006 B

Sonny Stitt The Double-O-Soul Of Sonny Stitt (Part Two) Oct-65

Wingate 010 A

Sonny Stitt Concerto For Jazz Lovers Dec-65

Wingate 010 B

Sonny Stitt Just Dust Dec-65

Wingate 011 A

Sonny Stitt Stitt's Groove Jan-66

Different artist on "A" & "B" side.

Wingate 011 B

Hank Marr Marr's Groove Jan-66

Wingate 012 A

Hank Marr White House Party Feb-66

Wingate 012 B

Hank Marr The "Out" Crowd Feb-66

[DMP]

Am I correct in assuming that Marr's "King" albums have never made it to CD? His "Live at Club 502" is a pretty solid organ quartet session, rivalling some of the better known groups of the day.