how to spot a liberty in disguise when it uses old NY usa labels

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

ok ok, so this RVG STEREO stamped really really good condition freedom rider/art blakey i found-- NY USA labels on both sides.....cover too, no liberty nothing...but thye JACKET IT CAME IN....its the "27 years of blue note" jacket: 1939-1966. it pictures jackie mclean right now! and dippin. besides the sleeve how else would i distinguish this. so what i have is prob. a liberty pressing but uses rvg stampers, and old jackets and old labels? help me here...

so if i was on ebay, and buying this, would i have to pay 200 bucks for a LIBERTY IN DISGUISE... ive never seen ths covcered...theres potential for a big mistake there...

[sidewinder]

'RVG Stereo' sounds like it might be one of those Liberty 2nd pressings from around 1967. I've just checked a mono original and it's 'Van Gelder' and 'ear' for this one. The thickness of the vinyl will probably be a giveaway as to whether or not this one is a Liberty. The first issue is a nice thick Plastylite pressing.

In any case, I'll bet it sounds great.

Edited January 16, 2010 by sidewinder

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

the 1st tghing i said tonight, was MY GOD THIS 1961 VINYL SUCKS IN COMPARRASION TO THE 50s STUFF.....

MINE IS MORE AKIN TO DYNOFLEX COMPARED TO PLAYSTYLITE. OMG ITS FUNNY IT EVEN SAYS BLUE NOTE> I MEAN YEA IT SOUNDS GREAT BUT WHEN DID THE PLASTYLITE STOP? THAT IS A TRUE 1st PRESS> ALTHOUGH IM DEBATING THE LIBERTY SIDEWINDER TO TIDE ME OVER TILL I FIND A 1st....

[kh1958]

This is a useful guide here:

http://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/twelve-tips-to-collecting-blue-note/#more-1987

[Jim R]

This is a useful guide here:

http://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/twelve-tips-to-collecting-blue-note/#more-1987

Interesting. I never saw that page before, and I'm not prepared to question the accuracy of any of the info, but what struck me as odd was the guy's excessive use of all caps and exclamation points. Not exactly a scholarly approach.

[kh1958]

When I was in New York a couple of months ago, Fred Cohen of the Jazz Record Center showed me the proofs of a book he has written that is in the galley stages at the publisher right now (though he was uncertain when it would actually be published)--a definitive guide to collecting Blue Note LPs.

This is a useful guide here:

http://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/twelve-tips-to-collecting-blue-note/#more-1987

Interesting. I never saw that page before, and I'm not prepared to question the accuracy of any of the info, but what struck me as odd was the guy's excessive use of all caps and exclamation points. Not exactly a scholarly approach.

The author was posting here for a time.

[Jim R]

This is a useful guide here:

http://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/twelve-tips-to-collecting-blue-note/#more-1987

Interesting. I never saw that page before, and I'm not prepared to question the accuracy of any of the info, but what struck me as odd was the guy's excessive use of all caps and exclamation points. Not exactly a scholarly approach.

The author was posting here for a time.

Yes, I discovered the same thing after doing a few searches. I guess he last posted here a few years ago. It's nothing personal, and as I said, it's not that I'm questioning his information, I just find it distracting and less than convincing when someone takes that approach. I appreciate his efforts and his passion, though, and I'm sure he must be knowledgeable and perhaps frustrated by the amount of mis-information he's encountered.

Edited January 17, 2010 by Jim R

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

wow, lexington ave labels on a liberty? wonder what title he saw that on?!?

this guy is right on, but it makes ebay more and more sketchy---- if you are not careful you can have a disaster...

just capitulated and bought the liberty sidewinder....to replace my 1980 "pacific jazz" issue of it-- its not a 1st press, but its rvg stampers.... so blue note STORED the metal parts to these 1st pressings for later ones? even thru the 70s or some titles, is that it?

Edited January 17, 2010 by chewy

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

hey u guys, this liberty sidewinder only has vangelder// stereo stampers on the side A....does that mean side b is not the original stampers necessarily?

[sidewinder]

hey u guys, this liberty sidewinder only has vangelder// stereo stampers on the side A....does that mean side b is not the original stampers necessarily?

I guess so. Not suprising though - in view of the number of copies of this LP sold the original stampers must have been decimated. The quality assurance on this title sometimes had shortfalls too (I think I've mentioned to you my copy of the NY USA with the blank white label. They couldn't get them out of the door fast enough !)

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

i so deserve a better sidewinder than this.....this copy will just tide me over till i get a better one.....

[Shrdlu]

I'm sure it doesn't really matter. Don't worry about it.

In the 60s, no-one would have even given it a thought. We just bought LPs and enjoyed them.

Besides, the second issues of BN and Impulse were prepared by Rudy, and they are sonically identical to the first issues. In the case of Impulse, the only difference was that the orange and black disk label was replaced by a black and red one. The BN labels remained the same.