Coltrane "The Outer World" aka "the bethlehem years" 2cd set from 2001

[l p]

cd2 of this set contains

1    Tippin' (take 1) 6:27
2    Tippin' (take 2) (breakdown)  1:21
3    Tippin' (take 3) 6:10
4    Tippin' (take 4) (breakdown)  0:43
5    Tippin' (take 5) 0:46
6    Tippin' (take 6) 6:20
7    Tippin' (take 7) (false start)  0:30
8    Pristine (take 1) (false start) 0:20
9    Pristine (take 2) 7:19
10    Pristine (take 3) (false start) 0:47
11    Pristine (take 4) (beakdown)  1:13
12    Pristine (take 5) (breakdown) 0:46
13    Pristine (take 6) 8:22
14    Pristine (take 7) 6:10
15    Pristine (take 8) 6:17

it looks like Tippin' take 8, and Pristine take 9 are not on this set. is it because they are composites of other takes?

normally, if they were composites, they'd be listed as h-m. and i-m. instead of h-9. and i-8.

[jazzbo]

They don't appear on the next Japanese release of these on the Solid label either. My guess is that they are no longer extant or that their existence in that discography was an error.

 

https://musicbrainz.org/release/8164f9c9-6e14-4f0d-b7d1-ccde0a324477

[l p]

it looks like the same problem with 
c-6. The Kiss of No Return  
e-9. The Outer World
f-3. El Toro Valiente 
   

[alankin]

However, those take are on the 2-CD issue The Bethlehem Years: John Coltrane (Bethlehem 20-50012).

[mjzee]

Is it possible that Tippin' take 8 and Pristine take 9 are the master takes, and therefore on disc 1?  I have the 2-CD set The Bethlehem Years, and the master takes on disc 1 do not have take #s listed; only the alternates on disc 2 do.

[l p]

yes, The Bethlehem Years: John Coltrane (Bethlehem 20-50012) 1994 is the one that i have now.

disc 1 of the 2001 issue is the big band material.

https://musicbrainz.org/release/8164f9c9-6e14-4f0d-b7d1-ccde0a324477

 

disc 2 of the 2001 issue is only 55minutes long, so they didn't omit the master takes because of time constraints.