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maybe we chould call this thread: "saving p ryan"
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Marty Krystal lives on the West Coast, has recorded frequently with Buell Nieldlinger, and is, in my opinion, one of the truly great saxophonists -
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great - there are certain cuts in which the solos are based on changes -
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Lee Wiley - old Sugar, but Sugar just the same - (and I think she was the prototype for Veronica)
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love that store - and I once got yelled at by Koester there, so what's not to like?
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next thing you know, they'll insist it can only be tenor players who can see and breathe -
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"How could a list of inside/outside tenor greats not include George Adams and Roland Kirk? "
good point, but these guys are insisting on only the living -
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Benny Wallace
Joe Lovano
Sam Rivers
Von Freeman
Fred Anderson
Ed Wilkerson
Wayne Shorter
Warne Marsh
John Coltrane
Ellery Eskelin
Ira Sullivan
Sonny Rollins
Allen Lowe (when he has time to practice)
Archie Shepp
Mary Krystal
well, the only dead guys in that list are Trane and Marsh, and though I'm not feeling that well, I'm still here. So that's a good start - I'd give you more, but I have a day job -
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well, listen to some things on Woyzeck's Death (don't now if you can still get it) - New Tango, though that's primarily open improvising - well, give me a few months. I haven't played in about a year, but am getting my tenor repaired, as I have the itch again -
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one of my favorite Black Lions is the one under the leadership of Philly Joe Jones - a hard bop session that stands as the equal to any equivalent American record - a little anti-jingoist program -
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all seriousness aside, the ignoring of emails when he was clearly receiving them does justify, IMHO, a public posting - it's not like he was on vacation - (I think) -
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well, I don't know what else pryan has done, but he did kill my auntie -
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why just living contemporaries? We're talking about a style that has existed for about 50 years, and a tradition that Murray is working in. I'm illustrating that this music has a "literature" that allows increased artistic choices - though I'm sure there are many contemporaries that I have not named -
well, than, let's add another: Marty Krystal
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it used to have another letter but Max knocked it off -
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actually, EVERYTHING Freeman and Marsh play is "inside-outside" due to the nature of the harmonic choices they make -
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wel, getting it in is not too difficult - it's getting it OUT that's a problem -
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I actually have never listened to the Schaap Benny Goodman - maybe if I get up the urge I'll pick it up and do a before and after with CEDAR -
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Strangers inthe Afternoon
All the Things You Ain't
What is this thing Called, Love?
Queasy Living
I Hear Shaun Cassidy
But Not For Us
It's Easier to Forget
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hmmm - you want 20 tenors who can play inside/outside better than Murray?
here goes - in no particular order:
Benny Wallace
Joe Lovano
Sam Rivers
Von Freeman
Fred Anderson
Ed Wilkerson
Wayne Shorter
Warne Marsh
John Coltrane
Ellery Eskelin
Ira Sullivan
Sonny Rollins
Allen Lowe (when he has time to practice)
Archie Shepp
well, that's 14 - there's more, but I'm a little tired right now -
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nobody made it into a contest - I just said I thought Max was the world's greatest drummer - until about 1965. What I am referring to, re-changing with the times, is the problem some musicians have when trying to keep up with perceived changes in the music, instead of doing what they do best and adapting THAT to the changes. I heard this negatively impact on Al Haig when I knew him ( in some of his later playing he floundered a bit with modality), in Walter Bishop's later work (his system of fourths), on Art Pepper (brilliant when not trying to conjure up the ghost of Coltrane). With Roach I heard a style based on an iron grip and steel-like time-keeping become mechanical in the search for freer forms of jazz. Nothing he played post 1965 is as musical nor as interesting as his work with, say, Sonny Rollins in 1956. That's just the way I hear it.
I find Max profoundly complex, by the way. He was capable of both great orthodoxy (in some of his social views, see Notes and Tones) and personal generousity. While ocasionally hung up on a racially determinist view of jazz (as in declaring it can be played only by Afircan American, non-Europeans) he also was among the earliest advocates of Lenny Tristano, and also commisioned work from Johnny Carisi when Carisi was doing little else in a jazz context; also, from what I have heard privately, Max commited a great many humantarian acts in his private life. So all was not negative. I just cannot shake the brutality of his treatment of Abby Lincoln. I find it unforgiveable.
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hey, Max is the worlds greatest drummer - up until about 1965, when he seems to have forgotten how to swing. I find a lot of his later stuff self-consciously contemporary, sounding like another older musician unsuccessfully trying to keep up with the times - just one man's opinion.
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I actually don't know anything behind-the-scenes here, as I have not talked to Phil in probably 5 years - the mastering on the box seems generally OK, but hearing that weird and completely unnecessary artificat (as Weatherbird is a very easy track to work on - I have CEDAR myself) - means somebody at Sony was asleep at the wheel -
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Cleaning house this weekend - a few odds and ends, and I only have 1 of each of most of these. First to email me gets each or whatever quantity is requested (please email at ammusic@maine.rr.com) - all are CDs:
1) Art Pepper Quartet, V. 1: With the Sonny Clark Trio (Live 1953). Time Is
$10 shipped. Sealed.
2) Johnny Otis: Be Bop Baby Blues. Night Train, '50s sides. Sealed. $6.00 shipped. (I have two copies of this one only)
3) Jay McShann Orchestra: Blues from KC (GRP Decca Reissue, very good sound, sealed) - $8.50 shipped. Sealed
4) Django Reinhardt: Guitar Genius. (A Charly reissue; good sound). Sealed. $6.50 shipped.
5) Sonny Terry. Capitol gatefold reissue. $6.5o shipped. Sealed
6) Jimmy Witherspoon. Call My Baby. Night Train. Sealed. $6.50 shipped.
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the other thing I would suggest is to consult a lawyer - I doubt very much that what he is doing is legal -
A warning about a board member -- pryan
in Offering and Looking For...
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well, thank you - I take pride in my well thought out and carefully reasoned posts -