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Posts posted by AllenLowe
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I will say, respectfully, that to consign Don Byas to "second chair" is utter nonsense - he is one of the GIANTS of the tenor, and you are looking at the wrong period to realize this. Listen to the Savoy's from middle 1940s - some with Max Roach. Amazing stuff, influenced Sonny Rollins. Harmoncally very advanced, predicting bebop clearly. The 1960s stuff is interesting, but has an odd tension that is never really resolved - I think his problem was that like a lot of ageing musicians, he was worried about keeping up with the times and was trying to change his whole rhythmic approach. I even recall remarks he made about Coltrane which indicated a clear jealously, based on the fact that, as he knew, Coltrane was very influenced by him, as were hundreds of tenor players -
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fantastic - it was quite interesting, Byas in his last period trying to play with less vibrato and more boppishly - oddly forced, but still fascinating music -
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sorry, I know this makes me sound like a troll, but the only way I can listen to Oscar Peterson is to drink heavily - all right, please, just ignore me and get on with this O.P. thread -
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I have great respect for Max musically, tempered, however, by the fact that he is another jazz/woman beater - if you don't believe me, ask Abby Lincoln. This stuff has been swept under the rug too much when it comes to jazz musicians (thinking also about Miles and Ben Webster) -
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His adaptation of Enemy of the People was a complete perversion and misunderstanding of Ibsen - I like the Crucible, but it was based on a fundamentally inept parallel with the McCarthy era - as Eric Bentley has pointed out, while there were, indeed, no witches in Salem, there were Communists in the US. Which is not, before you jump to any conclusions, a justification of McCarthyism - it is just to point out that Miller did not have the vision to come up with an allegory that made actual sense. On the other hand it is his best play. Death of a Salesman has power, but it is, finally, a cloying domestic drama. After the Fall, as I said, is a mess and intellectually dishonest, poorly written and full of post-Marilyn apology and rationale. There are some other bad ones: View from the Bridge, The Price (which does have some good writing), Incident at Vichy. He also wrote some appallingly bad short stories. His ouvre is not a distinguished one.
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it's an old shoe-business saying -
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we rest our case -
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Digital processing can sometimes be transparent, other times apparent - I would listen for artifacts or dullness or pumping -
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no, only dishonest profit - but hey, if the shoe fits -
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the way he told me, he just rode it out in embarassed silence -
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I don't have experience with that particular program, but I will say I have yet to hear a program where normalizing and using digital means to control peaks works very well - the problem is that the program just looks at the wave form and doesn't really hear it. The best way, in my opinion, is just to do the whole thing by ear -
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I actually see something a little bit different, and I've seen it on other boards - certain posts get ignored because the people having the initial discussion are a little bit cliquish and think that their private conversation has been interuupted -
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guys, it hanppend - live with it. We're all wrong sometimes (except me on this thread) -
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Jones told me this story in the late 1970s - so there goes that theory. And Miller was quite well-known in America cultural circles. So I don't doubt he witnessed this -
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well, Chris, I've been having senior moments since I was about 12 - the Popeye joke had to do about where he stuck a certain appendage whenver it got rusty -
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sorry, feeling defensive - the only people on the elevator (at Madison Square Garden) were Hank Jones, Monroe and Miller, so it's not really "in public." Remember, also, she was in the middle of filming The Misfits, which Miller had written for her - so they clearly still had some relationship. Jones repeated this story to me on two occasions, so I doubt there's any question it happned -
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Hank Jones was there - why would he make this up? I suppose you were also on the elevator - give us your version -
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I loved popeye - I YAM WHAT I YAM - I also remember a slightly obscene joke about Popeye and Olive Oil -
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wow - love that Gottlieb - is it published anywhere?
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maybe there ought to be a new feature that allows you to edit other people's posts - might make things more interesting -
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well, I do think he was over-rated and a mediocre writer - After the Fall is one of the worst things ever written by a writer with a reputation. He also did some horrendous things to Monroe - as a matter of fact this has a jazz connection, as Hank Jones told me this some years ago - Jones played the piano for Monroe at the Madison Square Garden birthday party for JFK at which Monroe sang the famous version of happy birthday - afterwards Jones was in the elevator with Monroe and Miller; she was drunk and Miller hit her hard -
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thanks to everyone who ordered the CD - I've been a little delayed because of a fair sized snow storm - will try to mail out a bunch of stuff tomorrow - if I missed your email please email me directly at alowe@maine.rr.com -
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I honestly don't remember who was backing Marsh (it's been almost 25 years); the banded for LP thing was posted by someone else, I think - and as an added comment on Percy's other recordings, which are very good, none, I think, captures him as well as my little "live" recording -
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Anybody listening? Optrix is a spray, great stuff, available in the US from North COuntry Audio: 315-287-2852, ask for Marc. Tell him Al sent ya -
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look, Max has a real history, and he cleaned himself up considerably after the 1940s-1950s (a quote from a pianist I know: "when you were walking down the street and you saw Max coming, you crossed the street.") Still, I think we jazz people tend to overlook some of this stuff, and I don't think that's right. And yes, he did beat up Abby Lincoln.